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Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.

There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.

The numbers are still very much intact. Just not easily identifiable anymore. The top URMs are still getting the slots at the top schools. Just shifting from one school to another , especially those that have good recruiting strategies to identify URMs upfront. Questbridge and such orgs aren't going away.

This is why the lawsuits will continue.
They're not supposed to be implementing strategies to "identify" URMs for admissions.
The fact that you have to say top URM mean that you understand that if the URMs are compared to the general population, far fewer of them look competitive.

When you say they aren't easily identifiable what you are saying is that many of them need people to know their race to be impressed by them. Why are your standards so low for members of some races?

DP. SFFA does not preclude seeking to market the university specifically to URMs.

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Anonymous wrote:until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.

Of course it is. You just can't accept that others define merit differently.

There is a pretty well accepted definition of merit.
It doesn't include skin color or family wealth.
It usually includes objective criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.

There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.

The numbers are still very much intact. Just not easily identifiable anymore. The top URMs are still getting the slots at the top schools. Just shifting from one school to another , especially those that have good recruiting strategies to identify URMs upfront. Questbridge and such orgs aren't going away.

This is why the lawsuits will continue.
They're not supposed to be implementing strategies to "identify" URMs for admissions.
The fact that you have to say top URM mean that you understand that if the URMs are compared to the general population, far fewer of them look competitive.

When you say they aren't easily identifiable what you are saying is that many of them need people to know their race to be impressed by them. Why are your standards so low for members of some races?

Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!

Clubs and social gatherings should pick up in the next couple of weeks/months. We visited NU in November last year and the campus was bustling with a flurry of activity. Seemed like a lot happening.

Anonymous wrote:until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.

Of course it is. You just can't accept that others define merit differently.

Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!

Which dorm is your kid in? Mine is also a freshman and has done a bunch of social things thru the residence college. Mine also joined a club sport so is meeting some people there. Definitely encourage looking into clubs. Did your kid meet any of the other freshman at the alumni picnic? If so maybe text them and see if they want to get together? (My kid met at least two other kids that she’s been texting with, so if your kid is one of those, I’m sure my kid would be happy to meet up for something social!)

Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!

What dorm? Some are more social than others. Definitely look into clubs, try and meet people in class, keep dorm room open so people can stop in. It might take some time if your kid is on the quiet side and if isn’t in a social dorm. But there are plenty of social kids there and most eventually find their people.

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Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.

There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.

The numbers are still very much intact. Just not easily identifiable anymore. The top URMs are still getting the slots at the top schools. Just shifting from one school to another , especially those that have good recruiting strategies to identify URMs upfront. Questbridge and such orgs aren't going away.

Anonymous wrote:^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!

It’s pretty early on. They just started on Tuesday right? Did they have any orientation stuff going on all week? We visited on Monday and the campus seemed buzzing.

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Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.

There just weren't as many as we were led to believe.

until it is test required and names plus race removed during application evaluation, it isn't truly meritocratic.

Some people have really asian or other race first and/or last names.

^^^My DC is there now (just started) and saying most of the kids aren’t super sociable-mainly hanging in their rooms. DC quieter also but I think would like to meet people. Looking into clubs and such-is there any party scene on campus? DC not a big boozer but would like something to do and socialize. Thanks in advance!!

Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Chicago is attractive to young students. Urban yet friendly enough to non-locals. Being in Evanston is also a plus compared to UChicago in the South.
Chicago is also a good place to launch a career. They've got the arts, the finance, the science industries. And at least for one of my kids, it doesn't feel as stuffy to them as the Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:How are they able to attract such strong students and still increase their diversity numbers YoY?

Because they are still giving racial preferences. Will likely be added to any future lawsuit in addition to Yale and other schools whose diversity numbers didn’t drop.

Northwestern and other elite schools removed race checkbox from the official application and can't see the demographics of the class as decisions are being made. I'm not sure what lawsuit would prevail here.

You don't win civil rights lawsuits by simply pointing at numbers and "there are too many blacks getting in!" is not a real legal argument.

In response to SFFA, elite universities made the admissions more holistic and difficult to decipher. I also think a lot of people underestimated the efficacy of race-neutral alternatives.

Yes, and smart / qualified URMs that highly selective colleges want didn't drop off the face of the earth.

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Anonymous wrote:URMs with good SAT score and high GPA are being noticed by Northwestern.

I don't know if this changed at all this year, but I've noticed that it tends to be a school that attracts UMC AAs from our area.

UMC AAs are URMs too. 🙂

What is your point exactly?

Hmm...that despite some ignorant peoples' notion that URMs have to be destitute to be worthy of admission to top schools, URMs of all economic strata are desirable for elite college admissions. Yes, that includes UMC African immigrant children of doctors and lawyers too.

Got it?

Not really. We're talking about racial preferences. What does an UMC african kid provide that warrants giving them a racial preference?

Data that are reported by the college to DOE and publicly