Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 15:26     Subject: When your kid just isn't that good...

Imma keep on dancing
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 14:44     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.



LOL. Travel sports parents spend so much time with their kids that might otherwise be spent on video games or social media. My best talks with my kid were driving to or from practice or tournaments. He’s in his 20s now and we both still enjoy trips because we just naturally talk about stuff when we’re driving.


You don't need travel sports or private lessons to spend time with your kids, and that car sitting time well I guess it counts for something, but going out and playing with your kids, developing a relationship where they listen to you and you help them with what they are trying to accomplish, that is something else. At the end of the day the kids have to put the sports things together themselves whatever the resources that are provided be it private lessons, instructional materials, equipment etc. The only thing I would be concerned with would be safety, pitching I gather has some issues, but limiting reps and ensuring proper shoulder technique isn't that difficult. It's not like gymnastics or acrobatics.


My kids' pitching coach had a herniated disk due in large part to pitching mechanical issues. No thanks will I outsource her "shoulder technique" (what does that even mean, the pitch is a whole body motion) to YouTube videos.

I'm really confused what you have against a couple hours a month of pitching lessons, PP? I spend $5 more for my kid to get proper pitching instruction for an hour than I do for her to get proper violin instruction for 30 minutes.


I just think it's something rich people do when their kids really aren't that good to begin with and they don't have time. Baby sitting for lawyers and doctors. Nothing much just a 10% of your average income towards a sport, really not that expensive, after you take in to account private lessons, league fees, equipment. *snark* Benefit, poor kids can't afford to show up driving their Subaru Impreza's.


All of the girls on our decent, but not regional champs or anything, HS varsity softball team play travel and the vast majority of them also do private hitting lessons. If not hitting, then fielding. Those couple of hours a month are essential to keeping your kid in the mix if they are interested in playing in high school.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 09:21     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Maybe a reframe is helpful here. There is an activity she enjoys, and wants to get better at. Who cares if she doesn't have long term potential. She recognizes the area she wants to improve in, and wants to put in the work. Sounds like behavior Id want to support! Big life lessons beyond the immediate here.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 08:58     Subject: When your kid just isn't that good...

OP, did her parents play sports in school?
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 08:55     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.



LOL. Travel sports parents spend so much time with their kids that might otherwise be spent on video games or social media. My best talks with my kid were driving to or from practice or tournaments. He’s in his 20s now and we both still enjoy trips because we just naturally talk about stuff when we’re driving.


You don't need travel sports or private lessons to spend time with your kids, and that car sitting time well I guess it counts for something, but going out and playing with your kids, developing a relationship where they listen to you and you help them with what they are trying to accomplish, that is something else. At the end of the day the kids have to put the sports things together themselves whatever the resources that are provided be it private lessons, instructional materials, equipment etc. The only thing I would be concerned with would be safety, pitching I gather has some issues, but limiting reps and ensuring proper shoulder technique isn't that difficult. It's not like gymnastics or acrobatics.


My kids' pitching coach had a herniated disk due in large part to pitching mechanical issues. No thanks will I outsource her "shoulder technique" (what does that even mean, the pitch is a whole body motion) to YouTube videos.

I'm really confused what you have against a couple hours a month of pitching lessons, PP? I spend $5 more for my kid to get proper pitching instruction for an hour than I do for her to get proper violin instruction for 30 minutes.


I just think it's something rich people do when their kids really aren't that good to begin with and they don't have time. Baby sitting for lawyers and doctors. Nothing much just a 10% of your average income towards a sport, really not that expensive, after you take in to account private lessons, league fees, equipment. *snark* Benefit, poor kids can't afford to show up driving their Subaru Impreza's.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2024 08:35     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.



LOL. Travel sports parents spend so much time with their kids that might otherwise be spent on video games or social media. My best talks with my kid were driving to or from practice or tournaments. He’s in his 20s now and we both still enjoy trips because we just naturally talk about stuff when we’re driving.


You don't need travel sports or private lessons to spend time with your kids, and that car sitting time well I guess it counts for something, but going out and playing with your kids, developing a relationship where they listen to you and you help them with what they are trying to accomplish, that is something else. At the end of the day the kids have to put the sports things together themselves whatever the resources that are provided be it private lessons, instructional materials, equipment etc. The only thing I would be concerned with would be safety, pitching I gather has some issues, but limiting reps and ensuring proper shoulder technique isn't that difficult. It's not like gymnastics or acrobatics.


My kids' pitching coach had a herniated disk due in large part to pitching mechanical issues. No thanks will I outsource her "shoulder technique" (what does that even mean, the pitch is a whole body motion) to YouTube videos.

I'm really confused what you have against a couple hours a month of pitching lessons, PP? I spend $5 more for my kid to get proper pitching instruction for an hour than I do for her to get proper violin instruction for 30 minutes.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2024 09:13     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.



LOL. Travel sports parents spend so much time with their kids that might otherwise be spent on video games or social media. My best talks with my kid were driving to or from practice or tournaments. He’s in his 20s now and we both still enjoy trips because we just naturally talk about stuff when we’re driving.


You don't need travel sports or private lessons to spend time with your kids, and that car sitting time well I guess it counts for something, but going out and playing with your kids, developing a relationship where they listen to you and you help them with what they are trying to accomplish, that is something else. At the end of the day the kids have to put the sports things together themselves whatever the resources that are provided be it private lessons, instructional materials, equipment etc. The only thing I would be concerned with would be safety, pitching I gather has some issues, but limiting reps and ensuring proper shoulder technique isn't that difficult. It's not like gymnastics or acrobatics.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2024 16:15     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.



LOL. Travel sports parents spend so much time with their kids that might otherwise be spent on video games or social media. My best talks with my kid were driving to or from practice or tournaments. He’s in his 20s now and we both still enjoy trips because we just naturally talk about stuff when we’re driving.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2024 14:42     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.


You must not have a pitcher. When you sign them up for lessons, you sign at least one and possibly both parents up for extensive time sitting on a bucket, catching and throwing softballs. It's so extensive it's literally inspired bucket dad poems.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2024 14:37     Subject: Re:When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the kiddo is looking for an excuse. "But you didn't get me private lessons."

If the kiddo is indeed that motivated. Get her some literature, take her out and practice with her. I don't know much about softball, but for most sports there are plenty of improvement materials available. Not to ding on lessons, just one or two isn't going to do much, and many of the low hanging fruit advice are in the books and YouTube videos.

Quick google and there is one on Amazon: "Diamond Girl: A Guide to Beginner and Advanced Softball Pitching"


Different softball parent here, not OP. Softball pitching is not something you can do this for, unless possibly a parent is willing to take the online Pauly Girl University classes and implement that method, but that's a major lift on the parent.

There are 2 major different schools of thought on the entire pitching motion (one is flat wrong, FWIW) and within those schools infinite variations - how far sideways do you turn? When do you close your hips? Where do you set up for each drill? What drills are worth it? Is wrist snap at the end of the pitch real? You can find highly experienced pitchers and coaches arguing about this stuff infinitely online and it shouldn't be on a kid to navigate the answers to that. If you just do books or YouTube videos it isn't going to work, and when you start wrong it takes months to break it down and fix it - my own pitcher learned this the hard way, but thankfully in the off-season.

Pitching lessons aren't something that requires a contract (at least not that I've seen). It's pretty easy - set them up for every other week and if the kid isn't making a way to do the drills 2-3 times a week in between just stop. That's your indicator of motivation.


You can't outsource speding time with your kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2024 10:24     Subject: When your kid just isn't that good...

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I know you all are right. We can afford it. I don’t love the extra driving and time suck. I’ll just deal with it and keep my mouth shut.


NP here. I was in your shoes (but for volleyball) and I went ahead with the clinics, camps, and lessons even though my kid isn't tall or particularly good at VB. and unlike yours, she isn't type A so she wasn't working super hard outside of these trainings. However, what it did accomplish was keep her SUPER busy, which she needed in order to stay out of trouble and/or drama. My DD was the kind of tween and early teen who easily got sucked into drama or bad/lazy decisions and the busier she was, the more productive with her time she became and she also was just too tired to spend extra time with drama nonsense. Off season was hard because she would get pulled back in.

I hated all the driving and waiting around, especially if it wasn't going to lead to getting into better clubs, more playing time, etc. But she loved going, and I think it was just so much better for her than watching Tik Tok or other social media or hanging out with friends who I didn't love (they got caught drinking, smoking, etc). Something to consider.