Anonymous
09/11/2024 10:09
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Weird that she promises to codify abortion rights through legislation when Democrats have had a gazillion opportunities to do that over the past 50 years with lots of times when Dems held clear majority in both houses but they didn’t want to touch it. Should we believe this or was this another missed fact check moment?
Until 3 Trump appointed SCOTUS nominees lied that Roe was "settled law", there was no need to deal with it legislatively.
Why haven't the GOP dealt with immigration legislatively despite the gazillion opportunities to do so?
because GOP donors benefit from the status quo and voters will vote for them to save them
you fix the problem then they have no need to vote for them
Anonymous
09/11/2024 10:06
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
While I agree that if she wasn't sheltered in the Capitol any claim to be there is misleading, but why is this such a GOTCHA OP?
Can you please now find all the Wharton professors, the top professors, who support Trump's economic plan? The Washington Post reports they couldn't find a single one.
I'll wait...
Can you please now find all the Wharton professors, the top professors, who support Trump's economic plan? The Washington Post reports they couldn't find a single one.
I'll wait...
Anonymous
09/11/2024 10:05
Subject: Re:Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:They were not impartial moderators.
They were part of Team Harris and they went after Trump while failing to correct any of Kamala’s misrepresentations.
I would argue that they gave Trump way too much leeway to rebut when it wasn't his turn. They fact checked Trump 3 times. They were ridiculously blatant lies that needed to be fact checked. According to CNN, the lies were 33-1 in favor of Trump. So count that as a win or something?
Anonymous
09/11/2024 10:02
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:She won for sure. He didn’t do well. Both are true. Also true that the moderators didn’t ask her any real hard questions. They did ask her about fracking and they did ask her about whether she believed in abortion up to 9 month. But she didn’t answer either. She said she signed the tie breaking vote for fracking. That didn’t explain her view. She had a positive day but she skated in a lot of fluff and vibes and smiling teeth and hand motions. Light in substance as always and moderators let her.
She did answer both questions.
She was the tie-breaking vote that supported fracking under the IRA.
She supports Roe and would codify it under law if given the opportunity. If you need to parse it, Roe would allow for a late term abortion of the baby isn't viable or if the life of the mother was at risk.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 10:01
Subject: Re:Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Turns out that woman is US-born and raised. NOT a "Haitian" or "Venezuelan" migrant. And a single random incident, probably involving a mentally ill US citizen. Trump FALSELY claimed there was an epidemic of hordes of migrants roaming the streets of Ohio stealing cats and dogs and eating them.
Trump LIED. A big fat dripping whopper of a lie. Just like how he LIED about executing babies after they are born.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 10:00
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Weird that she promises to codify abortion rights through legislation when Democrats have had a gazillion opportunities to do that over the past 50 years with lots of times when Dems held clear majority in both houses but they didn’t want to touch it. Should we believe this or was this another missed fact check moment?
Until 3 Trump appointed SCOTUS nominees lied that Roe was "settled law", there was no need to deal with it legislatively.
Why haven't the GOP dealt with immigration legislatively despite the gazillion opportunities to do so?
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:58
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It was a fixed debate. Kamala cheated with ear pieces.
I suspect she may have been given the questions ahead of time allowing her plenty of time to rehearse her scripted answers. The moderators were a joke and totally biased towards her. It was 3 against 1 yesterday.
The questions were all basic. If someone said "what should the debate cover" and the answers were: economy, abortion, Ukraine, immigration then you would have had 90% of the debate topic covered. This is not really hard to anticipate.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:57
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harris lied about "blood bath"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
Harris lied about "fine people"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
Harris lied about "peaceful and patriotic"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
exactly, this is the debator's job, harris should be doing the corrections not the moderators, very odd. This didn't happen in the biden trump debates.
I wasn't impressed with the moderators at all. They allowed Trump to overtalk, get in the last word, lie over and over again. He was constantly allowed second and third bites, but Harris was rarely offered rebuttal time. The moderators failed to turn off Trump's mic.
They let Trump talk for a full 9 minutes longer than Harris.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:56
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harris lied about "blood bath"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
Harris lied about "fine people"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
Harris lied about "peaceful and patriotic"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
exactly, this is the debator's job, harris should be doing the corrections not the moderators, very odd. This didn't happen in the biden trump debates.
And some of this think that it SHOULD have happened during the Biden- Trump debates. Unfortunately, Trump lies so frequently and so flagrantly that the traditional “rules” for political debating aren’t adequate any more. Even the PP’s posts about Trump’s “corrections” are lies. Trump did say “fine people on both sides”. He has also used the term “blood bath”. Many of Trump’s lies are well-documented — including by his own tweets.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:51
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:I thought they did a great job fact-checking Trump. And, to be fair, a non-existent job of fact checking Harris. And obviously had no interest in pressing her to give a straight answer when she dodged the “do you think voters are better off than they were four years ago?” Question (she doesn’t, but they don’t want to make her SAY that) and when she avoided answering whether she supports limits on abortion in 7th, 8th, 9th month (she doesn’t, but again they don’t want to make her SAY that).
But did anyone think it was weird that they said nothing when she claimed to have been at the Capitol on Jan 6 when she was actually at DNC headquarters???
Why would she say she was there?? And why wouldn’t the moderators correct her in that assertion?
Like the other senators, she was at the Capitol on 1/6.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:49
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harris lied about "blood bath"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
Harris lied about "fine people"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
Harris lied about "peaceful and patriotic"... Trump corrected her, not Muir.
exactly, this is the debator's job, harris should be doing the corrections not the moderators, very odd. This didn't happen in the biden trump debates.
I wasn't impressed with the moderators at all. They allowed Trump to overtalk, get in the last word, lie over and over again. He was constantly allowed second and third bites, but Harris was rarely offered rebuttal time. The moderators failed to turn off Trump's mic.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:47
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It was a fixed debate. Kamala cheated with ear pieces.
I suspect she may have been given the questions ahead of time allowing her plenty of time to rehearse her scripted answers. The moderators were a joke and totally biased towards her. It was 3 against 1 yesterday.
Let's just indulge your delusion and say she was. Trump laid out zero plans, had no complete sentences and was a rambling mess. He talked about eating pets. What a winner, HUGE, the bestest.
Anonymous
09/11/2024 09:45
Subject: Debate Moderator Fact Checks
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought they did a great job fact-checking Trump. And, to be fair, a non-existent job of fact checking Harris. And obviously had no interest in pressing her to give a straight answer when she dodged the “do you think voters are better off than they were four years ago?” Question (she doesn’t, but they don’t want to make her SAY that) and when she avoided answering whether she supports limits on abortion in 7th, 8th, 9th month (she doesn’t, but again they don’t want to make her SAY that).
But did anyone think it was weird that they said nothing when she claimed to have been at the Capitol on Jan 6 when she was actually at DNC headquarters???
Why would she say she was there?? And why wouldn’t the moderators correct her in that assertion?
Actually, she WAS at the Capitol on January 6. She was ALSO other places on that day.
According to Politico.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/doj-kamala-harris-jan-6-519505
I mean if you were “at the twin towers” at 6am on 9/11, but across town at another location when the planes actually hit, would you pipe in three years later with “…I was there at the towers on 9/11 and it was very scary…people DIED!!”
Or would you agree that this would be quite misleading and that this statement would give people the false impression that you were actually there when the events that “9/11” is known for were going down?
She obviously said it that way to give the impression that she was present at the time that the crowd was entering the Capitol, but she wasn’t. She clearly wants to elevate her position to that of a “witness” to the events when that’s completely false.
You really like getting into unnecessary weeds. I have heard people say they were late for work on 9/11 and would have been in the towers that morning. The woman was in the capital on January 6.
+1 it would feel terrifying and even more personal to have been there earlier in the day and then left, compared to a random person elsewhere. Yes people would absolutely share that they had that close cnxn to 9/11 and there is nothing wrong with that.