Anonymous
Post 09/08/2024 07:52     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
My kids are Waysian and they didn’t list
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2024 05:26     Subject: Re:If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.


Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.


The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.
Given how Asian American representation and accetance rate has increased after the supreme court decision, its clear that Asian American applicants are even more qualified (as defined by colleges, not test scores) than their pre-2024 admission rates would suggest
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2024 05:22     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:South Asians get all the disadvantages of being Asians and none of the advantages.
They get the selection bias of having parents who were smart/tenacious enough to be able to immigrate to the US from a country where it's very difficult to immigrate to the US to, and the culture of academic excellence that comes with it. Seems quite similar to children of East Asian immigrants
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2024 01:46     Subject: Re:If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.


Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.


The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2024 16:26     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don’t check the box.

But your name is Lee, you got an 800 math SAT, you have 15 APs, and your ECs are violin, tennis and robotics.

I think they’ll figure it out.


General Lee was Chinese?

Robert E Lee, the famous Asian hero of the Confederacy. And his father, the famous Asian Henry “Light-Horse Harry” Lee of the American Revolution. And Thomas Lee, of the Asian political dynasty and Virginian First Family of Lee, for whom Leesburg VA is named.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2024 16:07     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:or does it matter anymore? I still feel Asians are not given a full fair chance even with the change in affirmative action.


They aren't and they won't be for many years. But at least the overt racism is gone. There is no longer as much pressure to try and hide the fact that you are asian. It's a bad feeling to hear your kid talk about how they don't want to be TOO asian.
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 12:11     Subject: Re:If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

your math skills and data analysis are sorely lacking, as is your critical thinking skills.

Asian Americans apply to top colleges in higher numbers proportional to their representation in the general population. You should be comparing the numbers of admits based on their % of the applicant pool, not the general population.

Same for your example:

The reason why white males are promoted a lot more is probably because there are a lot more white males up for the promotion. Statistically, a white male will get the promotion because of the larger number of white males in the pool.

In the military, there are a lot more male leaders because there are just a lot more males in the military, period.

Work on your critical thinking skills.


Hi strawman,

No in ea case it is disproportional to the the correct number. ie those up for promo etc. Where did I provide a wrong denominator or a denominator at all?

If there are more white men in the company, the probability of white men up for promotion goes up.

If there are more high achieving Asian American students applying to top schools, statistically, their representation in these schools will be greater than the overall population.

Statistics is your friend...not really.
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 12:00     Subject: Re:If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.


Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 11:57     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:College admissions officers do not view the race boxes in the Common App following the Supreme Court decision in summer 2023.


Obviously they see applicant and parents last names.


I don't think they do.
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 09:58     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:South Asians get all the disadvantages of being Asians and none of the advantages.

What are the advantages?

I work in tech. Tons of South Asians, and several in leadership positions.


That's only in Tech. Even there, if the economy deteriorates but they see South Asians do well, the whinefest will begin accusing them of discrimination, etc. Of course, their discrimination in other walks of life is totally fine!
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 09:54     Subject: Re:If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

your math skills and data analysis are sorely lacking, as is your critical thinking skills.

Asian Americans apply to top colleges in higher numbers proportional to their representation in the general population. You should be comparing the numbers of admits based on their % of the applicant pool, not the general population.

Same for your example:

The reason why white males are promoted a lot more is probably because there are a lot more white males up for the promotion. Statistically, a white male will get the promotion because of the larger number of white males in the pool.

In the military, there are a lot more male leaders because there are just a lot more males in the military, period.

Work on your critical thinking skills.


Hi strawman,

No in ea case it is disproportional to the the correct number. ie those up for promo etc. Where did I provide a wrong denominator or a denominator at all?
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 09:50     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:South Asians get all the disadvantages of being Asians and none of the advantages.

What are the advantages?

I work in tech. Tons of South Asians, and several in leadership positions.
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 09:50     Subject: Re:If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

your math skills and data analysis are sorely lacking, as is your critical thinking skills.

Asian Americans apply to top colleges in higher numbers proportional to their representation in the general population. You should be comparing the numbers of admits based on their % of the applicant pool, not the general population.

Same for your example:

The reason why white males are promoted a lot more is probably because there are a lot more white males up for the promotion. Statistically, a white male will get the promotion because of the larger number of white males in the pool.

In the military, there are a lot more male leaders because there are just a lot more males in the military, period.

Work on your critical thinking skills.
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 09:41     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
Why do you think the college admissions field attracts so many racists?
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2024 09:41     Subject: If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?
South Asians get all the disadvantages of being Asians and none of the advantages.