Anonymous
09/18/2024 21:43
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.
Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean.
Vienna is roughly the same size as McLean. McLean just has had a history of being able to bring in outside players even at the younger ages but that is slowing down now.
We were at Vienna and moved to McLean and we still know many families and friends at VYS (we live in Vienna). The caliber of players and coaching is a much higher level at McLean. The coaching is not bad at VYS it's just not that great anymore. The enthusiasm is low and the coaches have resorted to very basic disinterested practices and some days half the kids don't even show up. A lot of our friends at VYS have asked us about McLean because they are looking to leave. Being able to recruit outside players is a sign of a better program. It's not like you can convince people to come to a lower program year after year. Eventually, people would figure it out.
I assume you have a son? Because on the girls' side, every McLean team was in the bottom half of ECRL last year, every team had negative GD, and 4 out of their 6 teams were in the bottom 3 spots in the league. Their cumulative GD across 6 teams was -57.
5 out of 6 Vienna girls' teams finished better than McLean, half had positive GD, and their cumulative GD was +26.
[u]McLean was literally 83 goals worse than Vienna last season, yet the "caliber of players and coaching at McLean is much higher level"?
In terms of the rest, I have had, and continue to have both boys and girls in the Vienna program. I have also had a child play for other area teams. Vienna has plenty of players attending practices, and they're certainly very interested. Stop by Quantum or Marshall on a weeknight and just look at the fields.
McLean (along with many top clubs) doesn’t have high success at the ECNL-RL level because more of their top players make it to ECNL National. Thus their RL teams at the older ages are mostly left with 2nd and 3rd team players. Vienna’s RL players are mostly 1st team players that didn’t make ECNL.
If you want to measure success look at how a team performs at their U11-12 and see how many make it to ECNL at U13.
This is false. Both Vienna and McLean combined with other clubs last year to field ECNL squads. SYC put far more girls into Union than BRYC put on Brave.
You’re right that it is affecting both clubs’ performance relative to a team like GFR, but most ECRL teams (Vienna, McLean, Loudoun, Arlington, PWSI, BRYC, VSA, etc) are affected by this. But Vienna put more girls onto Brave than McLean put onto Union last year (whose best teams, like their 2010s, were SYC dominated).
Anonymous
09/18/2024 21:00
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.
Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean.
Vienna is roughly the same size as McLean. McLean just has had a history of being able to bring in outside players even at the younger ages but that is slowing down now.
We were at Vienna and moved to McLean and we still know many families and friends at VYS (we live in Vienna). The caliber of players and coaching is a much higher level at McLean. The coaching is not bad at VYS it's just not that great anymore. The enthusiasm is low and the coaches have resorted to very basic disinterested practices and some days half the kids don't even show up. A lot of our friends at VYS have asked us about McLean because they are looking to leave. Being able to recruit outside players is a sign of a better program. It's not like you can convince people to come to a lower program year after year. Eventually, people would figure it out.
I assume you have a son? Because on the girls' side, every McLean team was in the bottom half of ECRL last year, every team had negative GD, and 4 out of their 6 teams were in the bottom 3 spots in the league. Their cumulative GD across 6 teams was -57.
5 out of 6 Vienna girls' teams finished better than McLean, half had positive GD, and their cumulative GD was +26.
[u]McLean was literally 83 goals worse than Vienna last season, yet the "caliber of players and coaching at McLean is much higher level"?
In terms of the rest, I have had, and continue to have both boys and girls in the Vienna program. I have also had a child play for other area teams. Vienna has plenty of players attending practices, and they're certainly very interested. Stop by Quantum or Marshall on a weeknight and just look at the fields.
McLean (along with many top clubs) doesn’t have high success at the ECNL-RL level because more of their top players make it to ECNL National. Thus their RL teams at the older ages are mostly left with 2nd and 3rd team players. Vienna’s RL players are mostly 1st team players that didn’t make ECNL.
If you want to measure success look at how a team performs at their U11-12 and see how many make it to ECNL at U13.
Anonymous
09/18/2024 19:39
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
OP don’t take too much stock in the back and forth about clubs going on here. Your experience at any of them will be really dependent on the specific team and coach. A club can have an age group with solid teams where everyone is happy and successful, while a different age group at that same club is struggling. Sometimes it’s just the mix of kids that end up on a team that makes a huge difference. See if your child can attend some practices and talk to parents. In my experience they will tell you if they and their kids are happy or not.
Anonymous
09/18/2024 17:05
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.
Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean.
Vienna is roughly the same size as McLean. McLean just has had a history of being able to bring in outside players even at the younger ages but that is slowing down now.
We were at Vienna and moved to McLean and we still know many families and friends at VYS (we live in Vienna). The caliber of players and coaching is a much higher level at McLean. The coaching is not bad at VYS it's just not that great anymore. The enthusiasm is low and the coaches have resorted to very basic disinterested practices and some days half the kids don't even show up. A lot of our friends at VYS have asked us about McLean because they are looking to leave. Being able to recruit outside players is a sign of a better program. It's not like you can convince people to come to a lower program year after year. Eventually, people would figure it out.
I assume you have a son? Because on the girls' side, every McLean team was in the bottom half of ECRL last year, every team had negative GD, and 4 out of their 6 teams were in the bottom 3 spots in the league. Their cumulative GD across 6 teams was -57.
5 out of 6 Vienna girls' teams finished better than McLean, half had positive GD, and their cumulative GD was +26.
[u]McLean was literally 83 goals worse than Vienna last season, yet the "caliber of players and coaching at McLean is much higher level"?
In terms of the rest, I have had, and continue to have both boys and girls in the Vienna program. I have also had a child play for other area teams. Vienna has plenty of players attending practices, and they're certainly very interested. Stop by Quantum or Marshall on a weeknight and just look at the fields.
Anonymous
09/18/2024 10:58
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:anyone remember the 400+ page Vienna thread rant years ago?
Valor is a relatively brand new club... only a few years old. There's always going to be growing pains. Vienna has been around a while and has been on steady decline.
Anonymous
09/18/2024 09:40
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
anyone remember the 400+ page Vienna thread rant years ago?
Anonymous
09/18/2024 09:24
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.
Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean.
Vienna is roughly the same size as McLean. McLean just has had a history of being able to bring in outside players even at the younger ages but that is slowing down now.
We were at Vienna and moved to McLean and we still know many families and friends at VYS (we live in Vienna). The caliber of players and coaching is a much higher level at McLean. The coaching is not bad at VYS it's just not that great anymore. The enthusiasm is low and the coaches have resorted to very basic disinterested practices and some days half the kids don't even show up. A lot of our friends at VYS have asked us about McLean because they are looking to leave. Being able to recruit outside players is a sign of a better program. It's not like you can convince people to come to a lower program year after year. Eventually, people would figure it out.
Anonymous
09/18/2024 08:47
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.
Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.
-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun
No one is going to Valor, be real now
Poor Valor is always pooped on… even on another club’s thread. VYS happy to let someone else take the heat.
So which one is worse if you had to go to one of them, Valor or Vienna? And why?
Valor. Very few stay long and even fewer have positive things to say about them.
Anonymous
09/18/2024 08:44
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.
Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean.
Vienna is roughly the same size as McLean. McLean just has had a history of being able to bring in outside players even at the younger ages but that is slowing down now.
Anonymous
09/17/2024 22:31
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.
Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean.
Anonymous
09/17/2024 21:50
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.
Anonymous
09/17/2024 21:47
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.
Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.
-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun
No one is going to Valor, be real now
Poor Valor is always pooped on… even on another club’s thread. VYS happy to let someone else take the heat.
So which one is worse if you had to go to one of them, Valor or Vienna? And why?
So far this season, Valor’s girls’ teams are 7-8-3 (3 games each for 6 teams). Vienna’s girls are 7-2-3 (have only played 2 games).
Two bottom feeder clubs arguing about who’s better. <YAWN!!!>
Did that make you feel good? Crazy what people say behind a keyboard.
Anonymous
09/17/2024 21:16
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.
Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.
-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun
No one is going to Valor, be real now
Poor Valor is always pooped on… even on another club’s thread. VYS happy to let someone else take the heat.
So which one is worse if you had to go to one of them, Valor or Vienna? And why?
So far this season, Valor’s girls’ teams are 7-8-3 (3 games each for 6 teams). Vienna’s girls are 7-2-3 (have only played 2 games).
Two bottom feeder clubs arguing about who’s better. <YAWN!!!>
Anonymous
09/17/2024 21:04
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.
Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.
-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun
No one is going to Valor, be real now
Poor Valor is always pooped on… even on another club’s thread. VYS happy to let someone else take the heat.
So which one is worse if you had to go to one of them, Valor or Vienna? And why?
So far this season, Valor’s girls’ teams are 7-8-3 (3 games each for 6 teams). Vienna’s girls are 7-2-3 (have only played 2 games).
Anonymous
09/17/2024 20:54
Subject: Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.
Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.
-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun
No one is going to Valor, be real now
Poor Valor is always pooped on… even on another club’s thread. VYS happy to let someone else take the heat.
So which one is worse if you had to go to one of them, Valor or Vienna? And why?