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Anonymous wrote:Homes in italy are incredibly cheap- probably cheaper than a couple years of country club membership tbh. So that's not really saying anything.

lol. Find me that cheap house somewhere on the seaside in one of the nicest parts of Italy, e.g. Sardinia, so that I can buy it.

Oh, there's plenty. Land in Italy is cheap cheap cheap

Seriously, show me an example.

I'm not going to take up the time to search up real estate for you lol but just the other day the NYT published a post about the cheapest real estate in Europe, italy was all over the list. You can easily find an estate there and it will cost you pennies compared to a second home in the US

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? To join a country club you need to pay the initiation fee, which can cost like 80-100k. Middle class people don’t have that money, let alone to pay the dues

Country clubs are for the UMC/upper class

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Anonymous wrote:Homes in italy are incredibly cheap- probably cheaper than a couple years of country club membership tbh. So that's not really saying anything.

lol. Find me that cheap house somewhere on the seaside in one of the nicest parts of Italy, e.g. Sardinia, so that I can buy it.

Oh, there's plenty. Land in Italy is cheap cheap cheap

Seriously, show me an example.

DP but here: https://www.instagram.com/cheap.houses.in.italy?igsh=MW9yYnR0djlzdGVtdw==

Oh wow, they look great!
Price is right too!!
Thank you

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on the club. Somewhere like Chevy Chase Club is old money. Washington Gold or Woodmont? Sure, definitely some middle calss people.

Isn't Washington Golf significantly more expensive than Chevy now? Like $115,000 entry fees from what I have heard? And the wait list is something like six years long? Hardly middle class to me

I don’t know but the members at Chevy are mostly lovely and well-bred and the members at WGCC are mostly the worst kind of strivers.

This. I grew up in Chevy Chase but live in Va now. It’s pathetic how high class the WG people think they are.

+1. At my workplace there are 10+ Washington Golf members and their conversations about it are cringe-worthy. I can count over ten times I've overheard/been there for long convos with our 20s/30s associates about initiation fees, the "who's who" of the membership, etc., and how the associates just HAVE to join in a few years. I'm a member of another local cc whose members would never, ever do that.

As far as I can tell, places like WG/Congo will take anyone who can afford them and is willing to wait a few years. But to answer OP, I don't consider any of these folks "middle class" -- they make >2-4m / year.

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Anonymous wrote:Homes in italy are incredibly cheap- probably cheaper than a couple years of country club membership tbh. So that's not really saying anything.

lol. Find me that cheap house somewhere on the seaside in one of the nicest parts of Italy, e.g. Sardinia, so that I can buy it.

Oh, there's plenty. Land in Italy is cheap cheap cheap

Seriously, show me an example.

DP but here: https://www.instagram.com/cheap.houses.in.italy?igsh=MW9yYnR0djlzdGVtdw==

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Anonymous wrote:Homes in italy are incredibly cheap- probably cheaper than a couple years of country club membership tbh. So that's not really saying anything.

lol. Find me that cheap house somewhere on the seaside in one of the nicest parts of Italy, e.g. Sardinia, so that I can buy it.

Oh, there's plenty. Land in Italy is cheap cheap cheap

Seriously, show me an example.

Anonymous wrote:In what world can middle class people afford initiation fees for a country club?

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine country clubs are full of the worst kind of people. Like middle class wannabes desperate to be rich

I went to top private schools and barely any students were members of country clubs. Most of us had our own pools at home. We even had a kid with tennis courts at his house. My family spent the entire summer at our home in Italy. We didn’t need to drive out to a public pool at a country club

I also went to school with the children of literal billionaires and zero of them were members of country clubs

CT and NYC? I think it is a DC thing

Anonymous wrote:Did you grow up in a suburb without many billionaires, like Ohio? Even in LA we have friends who are billionaires who are members of country clubs. They like community. They don’t live at the clubs, but they like them.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on the club. Somewhere like Chevy Chase Club is old money. Washington Gold or Woodmont? Sure, definitely some middle calss people.

Isn't Washington Golf significantly more expensive than Chevy now? Like $115,000 entry fees from what I have heard? And the wait list is something like six years long? Hardly middle class to me

I don’t know but the members at Chevy are mostly lovely and well-bred and the members at WGCC are mostly the worst kind of strivers.

This. I grew up in Chevy Chase but live in Va now. It’s pathetic how high class the WG people think they are.

+1. At my workplace there are 10+ Washington Golf members and their conversations about it are cringe-worthy. I can count over ten times I've overheard/been there for long convos with our 20s/30s associates about initiation fees, the "who's who" of the membership, etc., and how the associates just HAVE to join in a few years. I'm a member of another local cc whose members would never, ever do that.

As far as I can tell, places like WG/Congo will take anyone who can afford them and is willing to wait a few years. But to answer OP, I don't consider any of these folks "middle class" -- they make >2-4m / year.

Definitely. WG/Congo are the "new money" clubs who will accept anyone who can pay the bill. Very different to legacy clubs with rigorous application processes and a very selective membership

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Anonymous wrote:Homes in italy are incredibly cheap- probably cheaper than a couple years of country club membership tbh. So that's not really saying anything.

lol. Find me that cheap house somewhere on the seaside in one of the nicest parts of Italy, e.g. Sardinia, so that I can buy it.

Oh, there's plenty. Land in Italy is cheap cheap cheap

Seriously, show me an example.

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Anonymous wrote:Homes in italy are incredibly cheap- probably cheaper than a couple years of country club membership tbh. So that's not really saying anything.

lol. Find me that cheap house somewhere on the seaside in one of the nicest parts of Italy, e.g. Sardinia, so that I can buy it.

Oh, there's plenty. Land in Italy is cheap cheap cheap

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on the club. Somewhere like Chevy Chase Club is old money. Washington Gold or Woodmont? Sure, definitely some middle calss people.

Isn't Washington Golf significantly more expensive than Chevy now? Like $115,000 entry fees from what I have heard? And the wait list is something like six years long? Hardly middle class to me

I don’t know but the members at Chevy are mostly lovely and well-bred and the members at WGCC are mostly the worst kind of strivers.

This. I grew up in Chevy Chase but live in Va now. It’s pathetic how high class the WG people think they are.

+1. At my workplace there are 10+ Washington Golf members and their conversations about it are cringe-worthy. I can count over ten times I've overheard/been there for long convos with our 20s/30s associates about initiation fees, the "who's who" of the membership, etc., and how the associates just HAVE to join in a few years. I'm a member of another local cc whose members would never, ever do that.

As far as I can tell, places like WG/Congo will take anyone who can afford them and is willing to wait a few years. But to answer OP, I don't consider any of these folks "middle class" -- they make >2-4m / year.

Definitely. WG/Congo are the "new money" clubs who will accept anyone who can pay the bill. Very different to legacy clubs with rigorous application processes and a very selective membership

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on the club. Somewhere like Chevy Chase Club is old money. Washington Gold or Woodmont? Sure, definitely some middle calss people.

Isn't Washington Golf significantly more expensive than Chevy now? Like $115,000 entry fees from what I have heard? And the wait list is something like six years long? Hardly middle class to me

I don’t know but the members at Chevy are mostly lovely and well-bred and the members at WGCC are mostly the worst kind of strivers.

This. I grew up in Chevy Chase but live in Va now. It’s pathetic how high class the WG people think they are.

+1. At my workplace there are 10+ Washington Golf members and their conversations about it are cringe-worthy. I can count over ten times I've overheard/been there for long convos with our 20s/30s associates about initiation fees, the "who's who" of the membership, etc., and how the associates just HAVE to join in a few years. I'm a member of another local cc whose members would never, ever do that.

As far as I can tell, places like WG/Congo will take anyone who can afford them and is willing to wait a few years. But to answer OP, I don't consider any of these folks "middle class" -- they make >2-4m / year.