Anonymous wrote:Just to compare public universities (from the NYT):

Students from top 1% of families

Michigan 9.3%
Virginia 8.5%
Illinois 2.5%
Penn State 2.3%
Wisconsin 1.7%

Students from top 10% of families

Michigan 49%
Virginia 49%
Illinois 30%
Penn State 27%
Wisconsin 19%

Can you link this study? It seems these are not the top 5 schools in those categories FYI. MI and VA yes but not the others.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

Michigan’s endowment is much larger than UVA’s. A huge percentage of the $$$ are from OOS graduate donors.

Again, what does that have to do with the institution’s age?

….and what does an institution’s age have to do with, “affluent student bodies?” That is the topic of this discussion after rall.

UM is a great school with great traditions (I assume), but if we’re honest it doesn’t have the prestigious historical connections and traditions of UVA.

- Founded by a president and founding father
- Designated a UNESCO Heritage Site
- Noted and copied for its architecture
- First to place a library, not a church/religion, at the center of education

And for those wanting to squabble over dates, it’s clear that UVA was fully functioning as a university in 1825. At that time, UM was nowhere close.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

Michigan’s endowment is much larger than UVA’s. A huge percentage of the $$$ are from OOS graduate donors.

Michigan is twice the size of UVA. The relevant perspective is endowment per capita. UVA is higher.

There are schools smaller than UVA and Michigan that have larger endowments, so that point is immaterial. The difference here is that Michigan has many more OOS students than UVA and has them at a higher overall percentage than UVA. Those students also are by and large full pay. Hence the reason Michigan attracts a “more” affluent student body. There are just more of them in total numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

Michigan’s endowment is much larger than UVA’s. A huge percentage of the $$$ are from OOS graduate donors.

Michigan is twice the size of UVA. The relevant perspective is endowment per capita. UVA is higher.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

Michigan’s endowment is much larger than UVA’s. A huge percentage of the $$$ are from OOS graduate donors.

Again, what does that have to do with the institution’s age?

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

Michigan’s endowment is much larger than UVA’s. A huge percentage of the $$$ are from OOS graduate donors.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

From the webpage related to the 1817 version of the school:

Was it a real university?

Not the kind of university that U-M is today, or anything close. It was more like a high school before there were high schools – an academy for students to get more training before they went on to one of the few actual American colleges of the day, such as Harvard, Princeton or Yale. The students learned Latin, Greek and some science. There was also an elementary-type school for younger students.

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

Let’s quit playing games and post UofM’s webpage on this nonsense. To be clear, it’s very convoluted and in the eye of the beholder. I’m pretty sure that the date has nothing to do with weathly people attending the school.

https://historyofum.umich.edu/why-1817-matters/

The top 1% number from UVA will probably go down because the VA legislature is stupid and they banned donor admission preferences. They should have banned donor, legacy for in admissions for in-state students, but allow it out of state students. Then cap OSS 1/3rd of the student body. OOS donor and legacy admits subsidize the university for in state students, so this was a very short-sighted decision.

Anonymous wrote:Hahaha, actually, if we're going to play this game, UVa was previously known as Central College, which was charted on February 14, 1816 by the Virginia General Assembly.

https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/establishment-university-virginia/

Since UVA states that it was founded in 1819, you’d just be playing with yourself.

Hahaha, actually, if we're going to play this game, UVa was previously known as Central College, which was charted on February 14, 1816 by the Virginia General Assembly.

https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/establishment-university-virginia/

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Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Nice try, but not really. UofM officially dates itself from 1837. UVA officially dates itself from 1819. Prior to Michigan’s official date, it was some weird primary school located in Detroit. In contrast, when UVA opened, students could immediately study in one of eight university-level schools, including sophisticated subjects, like law and medicine.

The University of Michigan officially dates itself to 1817 and celebrated its bicentennial in 2017. UVA opened for classes in 1825.

I don't know why people are obsessed with the age of a school. Stanford and Duke are not that old, comparatively speaking, but are both super prestigious.

Anonymous wrote:“UVA has a more genteel atmosphere but it's long been regarded as a public elite. It's one of the oldest universities in the nation.”

Fun fact. Michigan is older than UVA.

Another fun fact is that neither one is close to being the oldest or even close to being among the oldest 25 colleges.