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Anonymous wrote:You both sound miserable, to be honest. I predict you two will divorce in 2025.

How is the OP miserable when this man actually told her “what else do you have to do that you can’t help with this” and she’s working FT and managing all the load of being a parent and managing a household while he doesn’t help? She’s a problem for being resentful? Absolutely not. You’re trying to gaslight this poor OP too.

Sounds like he is working. She is now earning twice as much as he does, and in the past he outearned by twice as much. But, somehow she seemed ok when she was earning less, but is not ok with him earning less.

When I earned less, I did disproportionately more around the house, cooking, cleaning etc.

I still do all of that, plus kids, and making more.

It has nothing to do with the income one spouse makes. That he doesn't help with the kids and the house is your only legit gripe here. All the rest is you being a horrible partner. He asked his spouse for help, what is wrong with that? You can turn it down, instead you are lashing out BCS he doesn't earn as much as you. Just the fact that you can't stop and take any advice shows that you are not a loving spouse.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure that not making as much money makes one irresponsible and worthy of contempt. In many families the breadwinner pays for a lot more…it doesn’t mean the other person is irresponsible.

Ranting about paying for more in a marriage is certainly something that will get different reactions depending on gender.

It's very clearly not the money that is triggering the contempt. It's his lack of taking care of anything else to do with the kids, the house, planning, logistics, etc. She said she was tired of being the only responsible one, not the only one with a W-2.

Most men get away with doing little or nothing around the house or with the kids by playing the "I pay for everything" card. When you don't pull you weight in the family or the checkbook, there's nowhere to hide.

That said, I think it's obvious OP knows she shouldn't have lost her shit with him and ranted. And I think it's equally as obvious that he has no intention of making more money (as an attorney, "find some spare clients in a field where I have no training and expect free admin services from yet another fully employed attorney" is not a real thing. It's 99% certain that neither DH nor OP can do this, under their current work agreements, and it's 100% certain that it would not be lucrative between having to learn the law, buy professional liability insurance, and drum up business) but rather wants to cosplay as someone trying to respond to the critique without actually putting in any effort himself.

Without counseling I think the contempt is too deep for this marriage. Whether OP wants to go to counseling with someone who she views essentially as an albatross is not clear.

Except it is about the money. She is complaining that he isn’t paying his bills and asks her for money. She goes on about how she has to pay for family things like vacations. She sees him as lesser than because he makes less money than she does. I don’t know if the expenses are split proportionally to income or not. Commonly when women are breadwinners they tend to pay disproportionately less than male breadwinners.

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Anonymous wrote:He's asking a lawyer to act as his secretary. It's insulting and a waste of her labor. If she wanted to do more work, she could make more doing extra hours at her job and make more money..

Just another mediocre man expecting a woman to prop him up.

yup. that’s the insult to injury.

Anonymous wrote:He's asking a lawyer to act as his secretary. It's insulting and a waste of her labor. If she wanted to do more work, she could make more doing extra hours at her job and make more money..

Just another mediocre man expecting a woman to prop him up.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know. Sounds frustrating but DH and I are a team. I'd probably try to help him with this.

Where was the team effort on his part this whole time that I’ve been holding things down financially and logistically? But now that he needs help, we should be a team.

Yes I am aware I have deep contempt and resentment

Where was the team effort on your part when he was earning twice as much as you?

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Anonymous wrote:You both sound miserable, to be honest. I predict you two will divorce in 2025.

How is the OP miserable when this man actually told her “what else do you have to do that you can’t help with this” and she’s working FT and managing all the load of being a parent and managing a household while he doesn’t help? She’s a problem for being resentful? Absolutely not. You’re trying to gaslight this poor OP too.

Sounds like he is working. She is now earning twice as much as he does, and in the past he outearned by twice as much. But, somehow she seemed ok when she was earning less, but is not ok with him earning less.

When I earned less, I did disproportionately more around the house, cooking, cleaning etc.

I still do all of that, plus kids, and making more.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm speaking as a wife in a similar situation. I basically tell him what to do and where to be with the kids. Vacation planning, extracurriculars, all me. He always follows through though.
He is working in a job that is just above entry level. He is good at it and comfortable so he doesn't try for more. His boss is happy to have him in that job because he does the work of 3 people.
I've asked him when he will try to find something more lucrative and he basically says "I'll know when it's right." I've given him ideas and even helped him study for exams but nothing pans out.
I'd be really happy if my husband had an idea for a side hustle. In fact I'd probably drop everything to help.

I profoundly resent that the response to “I’m stressed about money and that you’re not pulling your weight” was “ok I have an opportunity to make more money, but I can’t do it without your help organizing files, tracking records, etc.”

What I want to hear is: “I know I haven’t been doing my fair share. It’s been hard on you. Here’s my plan to solve it.”

What I heard- literal quotes “I have a wife with a jd who is organized and smart but selfish and unwilling to do more than your share. I could get a high schooler to do what you won’t do. We aren’t going to build up anything waiting on incremental salary increases.”

My thoughts: if it’s so easy a high schooler can do it, then why can’t you do it? It’s your problem that you are underemployed and underpaid. Go fix it. If a person says they are stressed out, you say ok, let me tell you how I’m going to help and alleviate things. It’s time for me to step it up. You don’t ADD MORE TO DOS to the plate of the person who is the bread winner and doing the domestic crap. It feels like gaslighting bc he is blaming me for not helping instead of focusing on why he can’t help himself or figure it out.

To add: We are both lawyers. He does not work for a firm.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure that not making as much money makes one irresponsible and worthy of contempt. In many families the breadwinner pays for a lot more…it doesn’t mean the other person is irresponsible.

Ranting about paying for more in a marriage is certainly something that will get different reactions depending on gender.

It's very clearly not the money that is triggering the contempt. It's his lack of taking care of anything else to do with the kids, the house, planning, logistics, etc. She said she was tired of being the only responsible one, not the only one with a W-2.

Most men get away with doing little or nothing around the house or with the kids by playing the "I pay for everything" card. When you don't pull you weight in the family or the checkbook, there's nowhere to hide.

That said, I think it's obvious OP knows she shouldn't have lost her shit with him and ranted. And I think it's equally as obvious that he has no intention of making more money (as an attorney, "find some spare clients in a field where I have no training and expect free admin services from yet another fully employed attorney" is not a real thing. It's 99% certain that neither DH nor OP can do this, under their current work agreements, and it's 100% certain that it would not be lucrative between having to learn the law, buy professional liability insurance, and drum up business) but rather wants to cosplay as someone trying to respond to the critique without actually putting in any effort himself.

Without counseling I think the contempt is too deep for this marriage. Whether OP wants to go to counseling with someone who she views essentially as an albatross is not clear.

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Anonymous wrote:You both sound miserable, to be honest. I predict you two will divorce in 2025.

How is the OP miserable when this man actually told her “what else do you have to do that you can’t help with this” and she’s working FT and managing all the load of being a parent and managing a household while he doesn’t help? She’s a problem for being resentful? Absolutely not. You’re trying to gaslight this poor OP too.

Sounds like he is working. She is now earning twice as much as he does, and in the past he outearned by twice as much. But, somehow she seemed ok when she was earning less, but is not ok with him earning less.

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Anonymous wrote:You are nasty, and that has nothing to do with anything he wants. It is not YOU who pays for this; it is WE, even if you are the spouse who earns more money! Was it all his money when he earned more? Did you consider that HIS money or your mutual money?
I can't even start to think about his admin request, but I would be divorcing you for having YOUR money and now OUR money.
The only gripe you should have is that he needs to equally pitch with the kidsand the household. Instead, you are trying to make him feel like he has no money.

He has asked me for money twice in the last 2 months. Bc he hasn’t been able to pay his bills. There are bills that are ours, there are bills that are mine, and bills that are his. We’ve never done one pot of shared money or bills.

This doesn’t seem healthy for your marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that "lucrative side hustle" some kind of MLM?

No. He would be taking on legal cases in a diff area of the law from his full time job. He is basically asking me to be an admin. Bc he “isn’t organized”

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Anonymous wrote:You are nasty, and that has nothing to do with anything he wants. It is not YOU who pays for this; it is WE, even if you are the spouse who earns more money! Was it all his money when he earned more? Did you consider that HIS money or your mutual money?
I can't even start to think about his admin request, but I would be divorcing you for having YOUR money and now OUR money.
The only gripe you should have is that he needs to equally pitch with the kidsand the household. Instead, you are trying to make him feel like he has no money.

He has asked me for money twice in the last 2 months. Bc he hasn’t been able to pay his bills. There are bills that are ours, there are bills that are mine, and bills that are his. We’ve never done one pot of shared money or bills.

There are no bills that are his and yours in a marriage. You keep proving what a narcissistic abuser you are. You need to get off your high horse and start being a partner in a marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm speaking as a wife in a similar situation. I basically tell him what to do and where to be with the kids. Vacation planning, extracurriculars, all me. He always follows through though.
He is working in a job that is just above entry level. He is good at it and comfortable so he doesn't try for more. His boss is happy to have him in that job because he does the work of 3 people.
I've asked him when he will try to find something more lucrative and he basically says "I'll know when it's right." I've given him ideas and even helped him study for exams but nothing pans out.
I'd be really happy if my husband had an idea for a side hustle. In fact I'd probably drop everything to help.

I profoundly resent that the response to “I’m stressed about money and that you’re not pulling your weight” was “ok I have an opportunity to make more money, but I can’t do it without your help organizing files, tracking records, etc.”

What I want to hear is: “I know I haven’t been doing my fair share. It’s been hard on you. Here’s my plan to solve it.”

What I heard- literal quotes “I have a wife with a jd who is organized and smart but selfish and unwilling to do more than your share. I could get a high schooler to do what you won’t do. We aren’t going to build up anything waiting on incremental salary increases.”

My thoughts: if it’s so easy a high schooler can do it, then why can’t you do it? It’s your problem that you are underemployed and underpaid. Go fix it. If a person says they are stressed out, you say ok, let me tell you how I’m going to help and alleviate things. It’s time for me to step it up. You don’t ADD MORE TO DOS to the plate of the person who is the bread winner and doing the domestic crap. It feels like gaslighting bc he is blaming me for not helping instead of focusing on why he can’t help himself or figure it out.

Write out a list of each other's daily responsibilities side by side.

If seeing it in print doesn't open his eyes than nothing else will.