Anonymous wrote:I purchased my first home in 1986 with a mortgage rate of 11%.

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Anonymous wrote:I purchased my first home in 1986 with a mortgage rate of 11%.

But your home price to income ratio was WAY different that it was then.

The federal minimum wage is still $7.25. It's unconscionable.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I purchased my first home in 1986 with a mortgage rate of 11%.

But your home price to income ratio was WAY different that it was then.

The federal minimum wage is still $7.25. It's unconscionable.

Anonymous wrote:Look, it's all being able to look through the rearview mirror and then make the determination that Boomers had it good.

However, if you were to magically transport back to 1981, you would never envy the Boomer generation.

The Dow was 9400 in 1965...and it was 2700 in 1982...can you imagine living through 17 years where the stock market collapsed by 71%? It was a slow-moving trainwreck. Inflation was also nuts...like over 10% per year.

Now, between 1982 and today the Dow went almost straight shot from 2,700 to 40,000. All those boomers that just left their accumulated savings in the market made a fortune.

Also, the WSJ just published an article saying that housing affordability today is essentially the same as it was in 1984. It become significantly more affordable between 1984 - 2015...then zoomed higher to unaffordable through today.

The big differences are that both college and healthcare as a %age of income were way lower back in the day. You could go to Harvard for literally $650 in 1955...which would only be like $10k in today's dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:I purchased my first home in 1986 with a mortgage rate of 11%.

For like 10k

Anonymous wrote:Look, it's all being able to look through the rearview mirror and then make the determination that Boomers had it good.

However, if you were to magically transport back to 1981, you would never envy the Boomer generation.

The Dow was 9400 in 1965...and it was 2700 in 1982...can you imagine living through 17 years where the stock market collapsed by 71%? It was a slow-moving trainwreck. Inflation was also nuts...like over 10% per year.

Now, between 1982 and today the Dow went almost straight shot from 2,700 to 40,000. All those boomers that just left their accumulated savings in the market made a fortune.

Also, the WSJ just published an article saying that housing affordability today is essentially the same as it was in 1984. It become significantly more affordable between 1984 - 2015...then zoomed higher to unaffordable through today.

The big differences are that both college and healthcare as a %age of income were way lower back in the day. You could go to Harvard for literally $650 in 1955...which would only be like $10k in today's dollars.

Anonymous wrote:I purchased my first home in 1986 with a mortgage rate of 11%.

Anonymous wrote:Boomers have had 40 years to build their wealth, millennials maybe 15. Forget housing costs, mortgages etc., it’s really education debt where the boomers have had an advantage. Education inflation has outpaced just about everything else.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a hard insight issue and the tricky part is that it's impossible to know if the comparison is fair because not enough time has passed.

Yes Boomers dealt with Vietnam, stagflation, and much more restrictive banking policies that made home ownership more challenging. However that turned around and Boomers then enjoyed perhaps the single most prosperous two decades in the US during their prime earning years. The homes the bought in the early 80s with 12% interest rates and that they had to scrimp and save for to qualify at all, doubled, then ,tripled, then quadrupled in value. Their salaries also increased by multiples. The stock market exploded and they wound up on the ground floor of that rocket.

So yes, in 1982, boomers as a generation were struggling. But in 2024 they are not. They have immense wealth, plus social security is still solvent and medicare is actually functioning better than ever thanks to work on prescription drug prices and supplemental plans. They made it.

Millennials have different challenges. Yes mortgage rates are lower and the rules around mortgages are looser (though not quite as loose as they used to be and that's a good thing). Millennials have more debt starting out thanks to education costs, and unlike boomers they have zero faith their own children will be able to self-fund college. The economy is stronger but the job market is more competitive thanks to globalization and American workers must compete with more highly qualified workers.

Maybe it will all work out like it did for boomers. I hope so! One challenge millennials face is that they continue to lack political power as the political landscape remains dominated by Boomers with a continued focus on Boomer concerns. Key millennial issues (cost of college and cost of housing) still lack consensus and addressing them has been an uphill battle.

To top it off, when millennials advocate for policies that would relieve these key pressures, they are called entitled and whiny and told "hey boomers had high mortgage rates and it was hard to even qualify." But this ignores the fact that *those circumstances changed because they were bad.* Policies shifted to make it easier to buy a home and boomers profited wildly from it. The reason mortgage rules were relaxed and rates brought down over time was not dome gift to millennials. These were policies intended to help boomers. And they did.

This made me chuckle. Sure, they dealt with the ravages of war but it's NBD. Such a millennial post.

My dad is a Boomer. Served during the Vietnam era. I don't think he'd shrug it off so lightly. My grandfather was greatest generation and served in WW2. He came back deaf and a changed man. I don't think younger generations quite understand the long-lasting effects that these wars had on these generations - particularly those that served, which constituted a huge portion of the population.

Millennials only focus on how much money they believe Boomers have now - in their retirement. And no, they're not looking at struggling boomers in middle-America but their own white, wealthy parents. My darling millennials - your worldview is skewed. Of course white, wealthy boomers have money now after 50 years of savings. You, too, will have more money after investing for 50 years. This is basic math.

But lucky you that you will likely never have to serve in war as every generation before you, and you have significantly more physical, food, and political security than any prior time in history. I know that they don't believe that but just open a history book to any random year in the 19th/20th century and do a side-by-side. Plus, most of what I hear complaints about are not buying a 3500 sq ft house. Ok. Check avg housing size in 1950 and then get back to me.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a hard insight issue and the tricky part is that it's impossible to know if the comparison is fair because not enough time has passed.

Yes Boomers dealt with Vietnam, stagflation, and much more restrictive banking policies that made home ownership more challenging. However that turned around and Boomers then enjoyed perhaps the single most prosperous two decades in the US during their prime earning years. The homes the bought in the early 80s with 12% interest rates and that they had to scrimp and save for to qualify at all, doubled, then ,tripled, then quadrupled in value. Their salaries also increased by multiples. The stock market exploded and they wound up on the ground floor of that rocket.

So yes, in 1982, boomers as a generation were struggling. But in 2024 they are not. They have immense wealth, plus social security is still solvent and medicare is actually functioning better than ever thanks to work on prescription drug prices and supplemental plans. They made it.

Millennials have different challenges. Yes mortgage rates are lower and the rules around mortgages are looser (though not quite as loose as they used to be and that's a good thing). Millennials have more debt starting out thanks to education costs, and unlike boomers they have zero faith their own children will be able to self-fund college. The economy is stronger but the job market is more competitive thanks to globalization and American workers must compete with more highly qualified workers.

Maybe it will all work out like it did for boomers. I hope so! One challenge millennials face is that they continue to lack political power as the political landscape remains dominated by Boomers with a continued focus on Boomer concerns. Key millennial issues (cost of college and cost of housing) still lack consensus and addressing them has been an uphill battle.

To top it off, when millennials advocate for policies that would relieve these key pressures, they are called entitled and whiny and told "hey boomers had high mortgage rates and it was hard to even qualify." But this ignores the fact that *those circumstances changed because they were bad.* Policies shifted to make it easier to buy a home and boomers profited wildly from it. The reason mortgage rules were relaxed and rates brought down over time was not dome gift to millennials. These were policies intended to help boomers. And they did.

This made me chuckle. Sure, they dealt with the ravages of war but it's NBD. Such a millennial post.

My dad is a Boomer. Served during the Vietnam era. I don't think he'd shrug it off so lightly. My grandfather was greatest generation and served in WW2. He came back deaf and a changed man. I don't think younger generations quite understand the long-lasting effects that these wars had on these generations - particularly those that served, which constituted a huge portion of the population.

Millennials only focus on how much money they believe Boomers have now - in their retirement. And no, they're not looking at struggling boomers in middle-America but their own white, wealthy parents. My darling millennials - your worldview is skewed. Of course white, wealthy boomers have money now after 50 years of savings. You, too, will have more money after investing for 50 years. This is basic math.

But lucky you that you will likely never have to serve in war as every generation before you, and you have significantly more physical, food, and political security than any prior time in history. I know that they don't believe that but just open a history book to any random year in the 19th/20th century and do a side-by-side. Plus, most of what I hear complaints about are not buying a 3500 sq ft house. Ok. Check avg housing size in 1950 and then get back to me.

Anonymous wrote:I purchased my first home in 1986 with a mortgage rate of 11%.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a hard insight issue and the tricky part is that it's impossible to know if the comparison is fair because not enough time has passed.

Yes Boomers dealt with Vietnam, stagflation, and much more restrictive banking policies that made home ownership more challenging. However that turned around and Boomers then enjoyed perhaps the single most prosperous two decades in the US during their prime earning years. The homes the bought in the early 80s with 12% interest rates and that they had to scrimp and save for to qualify at all, doubled, then ,tripled, then quadrupled in value. Their salaries also increased by multiples. The stock market exploded and they wound up on the ground floor of that rocket.

So yes, in 1982, boomers as a generation were struggling. But in 2024 they are not. They have immense wealth, plus social security is still solvent and medicare is actually functioning better than ever thanks to work on prescription drug prices and supplemental plans. They made it.

Millennials have different challenges. Yes mortgage rates are lower and the rules around mortgages are looser (though not quite as loose as they used to be and that's a good thing). Millennials have more debt starting out thanks to education costs, and unlike boomers they have zero faith their own children will be able to self-fund college. The economy is stronger but the job market is more competitive thanks to globalization and American workers must compete with more highly qualified workers.

Maybe it will all work out like it did for boomers. I hope so! One challenge millennials face is that they continue to lack political power as the political landscape remains dominated by Boomers with a continued focus on Boomer concerns. Key millennial issues (cost of college and cost of housing) still lack consensus and addressing them has been an uphill battle.

To top it off, when millennials advocate for policies that would relieve these key pressures, they are called entitled and whiny and told "hey boomers had high mortgage rates and it was hard to even qualify." But this ignores the fact that *those circumstances changed because they were bad.* Policies shifted to make it easier to buy a home and boomers profited wildly from it. The reason mortgage rules were relaxed and rates brought down over time was not dome gift to millennials. These were policies intended to help boomers. And they did.

This only applies to the privileged class. My boomer mom lives in the house we were born in and has a life you can't complain about, she does get social security and medicare, but none of the bolded benefitted her, a teacher in a middle class neighborhood where the housing has not doubled in value relative to inflation. The housing crisis, where so many people lost their homes -- a huge portion of them were boomers. Boomer home ownership fell by more than 10 percentage points and did not recover. And only half of home owning boomers owned their houses outright when the mortgage crisis hit; many have fallen behind on payments and are still at risk of losing their homes, leaving many without the housing wealth they were counting on for retirement. Some Millennials may not be able to afford to buy them, but some Boomers cannot afford to keep them either. And they can't make up for the losses over time with years to work and increase earnings. Don't forget that many of those who did see housing increases also had to live off of that equity because they had no pensions or savings, didn't work for companies with 401K plans, don't own stock, didn't have protected healthcare for most of their lives, etc. (see, e.g., the new thing for boomers called reverse mortgages). Some Boomers benefitted from the boom, but not everyone. Not by a long shot. Much of your post is only about the wealthier Boomers.

Wealthy, white boomers. PP’s description doesn’t apply to my AA’s family of origin.