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Anonymous wrote:OP, why did you title the post "DEI and blaming feedback on racism"? Why not just "blaming feedback on racism"

Is it because you view the black middle managers as there because of DEI? That is indicative to me of an issue.

But that’s the problem with DEI being part of hiring decisions.

+1. Seriously people need to get real - it necessarily follows from having DEI and affirmative action policies that people will assume/question that DEI or affirmative action is part of the reason a minority is hired or admitted or whatever. I’m Black and am sick of liberals pretending like these policies don’t have an awful stigma/downside for us supposed “beneficiaries.”

This is definitely happening. I’m fairly liberal and understand DEI. However recently joined a company with diverse managers and the first thought that went through my head is how most are unqualified and it must be DEI. I guess I’m racist but if I’m a white mostly liberal woman thinking this I can’t be the only one.

Well then you're dumb. Do you know how many unqualified white people I work with? People get hired and move up for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with race but sure..
. Let. confirmation bias to drive your racial bias

Seriously. I work for an executive team comprised of all white people who are completely in over their heads and tanking our company. I’d love to trade them all in for “DEI hires” or random people off the street.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why did you title the post "DEI and blaming feedback on racism"? Why not just "blaming feedback on racism"

Is it because you view the black middle managers as there because of DEI? That is indicative to me of an issue.

But that’s the problem with DEI being part of hiring decisions.

+1. Seriously people need to get real - it necessarily follows from having DEI and affirmative action policies that people will assume/question that DEI or affirmative action is part of the reason a minority is hired or admitted or whatever. I’m Black and am sick of liberals pretending like these policies don’t have an awful stigma/downside for us supposed “beneficiaries.”

This is definitely happening. I’m fairly liberal and understand DEI. However recently joined a company with diverse managers and the first thought that went through my head is how most are unqualified and it must be DEI. I guess I’m racist but if I’m a white mostly liberal woman thinking this I can’t be the only one.

If you assume "diverse manager" = "unqualified DEI hire" then yes, you are racist.

+1 yeah. I'm one of the people PP thinks is unqualified. And I have no doubt there are low level people in my workplace (and some high level people) that don't think I deserve my position. I've been treated extremely rudely by people who clearly don't respect me the way they would respect a White man in my position. Thankfully my boss knows my value, but the disrespect wears on you

PP, the "diverse leaders" know what you think and it's not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?

Black woman here, who would find that offensive. But, White Dude, you are complaining because you don’t get to say that? Really? I guess you must really want to say that at work. At any rate, rest assured there are plenty of things that white people can get away with that black people cant get away with, that are far more important than this.

Another NP.

Really? Please give just one example of this.

Walking down the street in a hoodie.

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Anonymous wrote:So three different POC have come forward with this? You’ve heard the saying about aholes right? Maybe it IS rooted in some truth.

I'm still wondering this. Is it three people in separate incidents?

At the very least, if you've got 3 people accusing you of racism then HR is staring at you.

OP writes "typically on the senior end of mid level" that sounds like "typically" these people are in that position, which makes it sound like multiple different people, all black, all on the sr end of mid level.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why did you title the post "DEI and blaming feedback on racism"? Why not just "blaming feedback on racism"

Is it because you view the black middle managers as there because of DEI? That is indicative to me of an issue.

But that’s the problem with DEI being part of hiring decisions.

+1. Seriously people need to get real - it necessarily follows from having DEI and affirmative action policies that people will assume/question that DEI or affirmative action is part of the reason a minority is hired or admitted or whatever. I’m Black and am sick of liberals pretending like these policies don’t have an awful stigma/downside for us supposed “beneficiaries.”

This is definitely happening. I’m fairly liberal and understand DEI. However recently joined a company with diverse managers and the first thought that went through my head is how most are unqualified and it must be DEI. I guess I’m racist but if I’m a white mostly liberal woman thinking this I can’t be the only one.

If you assume "diverse manager" = "unqualified DEI hire" then yes, you are racist.

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Anonymous wrote:It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?

Black woman here, who would find that offensive. But, White Dude, you are complaining because you don’t get to say that? Really? I guess you must really want to say that at work. At any rate, rest assured there are plenty of things that white people can get away with that black people cant get away with, that are far more important than this.

No. I don't want to say it. I want rules enforced equally. Person A shouldn't get to violate workplace decorum so egregiously without repercussion, while Person B would literally lose his career for the exact same behavior.

It's hypocritical BS of the highest order. Special privileges for certain people.

+1
I work for a very liberal employer and our required training makes a point that nobody can use the N word at work.

It's inappropriate language in the workplace and employers should make that clear to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why did you title the post "DEI and blaming feedback on racism"? Why not just "blaming feedback on racism"

Is it because you view the black middle managers as there because of DEI? That is indicative to me of an issue.

But that’s the problem with DEI being part of hiring decisions.

+1. Seriously people need to get real - it necessarily follows from having DEI and affirmative action policies that people will assume/question that DEI or affirmative action is part of the reason a minority is hired or admitted or whatever. I’m Black and am sick of liberals pretending like these policies don’t have an awful stigma/downside for us supposed “beneficiaries.”

This is definitely happening. I’m fairly liberal and understand DEI. However recently joined a company with diverse managers and the first thought that went through my head is how most are unqualified and it must be DEI. I guess I’m racist but if I’m a white mostly liberal woman thinking this I can’t be the only one.

What? You have issues. Why would you think they were unqualified?? And let me guess, when you see white men, you assume they got their on their own merit and are qualified rather than having benefited from the “affirmative action of generational wealth?”

+1

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Anonymous wrote:It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?

Black woman here, who would find that offensive. But, White Dude, you are complaining because you don’t get to say that? Really? I guess you must really want to say that at work. At any rate, rest assured there are plenty of things that white people can get away with that black people cant get away with, that are far more important than this.

No. I don't want to say it. I want rules enforced equally. Person A shouldn't get to violate workplace decorum so egregiously without repercussion, while Person B would literally lose his career for the exact same behavior.

It's hypocritical BS of the highest order. Special privileges for certain people.

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Anonymous wrote:It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?

Black woman here, who would find that offensive. But, White Dude, you are complaining because you don’t get to say that? Really? I guess you must really want to say that at work. At any rate, rest assured there are plenty of things that white people can get away with that black people cant get away with, that are far more important than this.

Another NP.

Really? Please give just one example of this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?

Black woman here, who would find that offensive. But, White Dude, you are complaining because you don’t get to say that? Really? I guess you must really want to say that at work. At any rate, rest assured there are plenty of things that white people can get away with that black people cant get away with, that are far more important than this.

Dp. It’s the principle. The colleague should be given a warning. Pp doesn’t want to say those words, and he correctly doesn’t think they should be said at all. Different rules for different people is not okay.

Anonymous wrote:“affirmative action of generational wealth”

This phrase really sums it up. I hope it sticks.

Well, now, that's not really affirmative action, is it?

Anonymous wrote:It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?

Black woman here, who would find that offensive. But, White Dude, you are complaining because you don’t get to say that? Really? I guess you must really want to say that at work. At any rate, rest assured there are plenty of things that white people can get away with that black people cant get away with, that are far more important than this.

“affirmative action of generational wealth”

This phrase really sums it up. I hope it sticks.

Anonymous wrote:This is why you need to have non-white leadership also, to help you sort out what's your internal bias vs. not.

That's a huge burden to put on people. What if "x" people don't want to work on "x" issues? Or are assigned to work on "x" issues when all they want to do is analyze data or plan conferences or whatever?

It's all a joke. It's special privileges for certain people.

On Monday, a black colleague of mine (who I respect and admire) referred to a job one of or contractors completed as n***er-rigged. The contractor is white and this was said in front of three other people, two of whom were persons of color- but not black.

Colleague didn't get so much as a warning.

Can you even imagine what would have happened to me (white guy 44) if I'd said that?