Anonymous
08/17/2024 09:12
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
That's fine. Have a great day.
Talking about a book and a baby momma thread isn’t answering the question.
I can live with that. I don't care what you know or don't know.
We all see 3x now how uncomfortable that question makes you. Since you refuse to answer it.
Let’s try again PP: Who has that expectation?
We?
I'm unwilling to work for you. I know it's a waste of my time to have this conversation with someone who doesn't care to read. Don't worry, I'm sure someone else will have more patience for handholding.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 09:06
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
That's fine. Have a great day.
Talking about a book and a baby momma thread isn’t answering the question.
I can live with that. I don't care what you know or don't know.
We all see 3x now how uncomfortable that question makes you. Since you refuse to answer it.
Let’s try again PP: Who has that expectation?
Anonymous
08/17/2024 09:03
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
That's fine. Have a great day.
Talking about a book and a baby momma thread isn’t answering the question.
I can live with that. I don't care what you know or don't know.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 09:02
Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Trad = marrying their mama.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 09:01
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
That's fine. Have a great day.
Talking about a book and a baby momma thread isn’t answering the question.
WHO exactly, in society, has the expectation that women should (a) work a demanding job, and (b) do everything in the household?
Who?
Describe them. In detail.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:59
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
No - they want a traditional wife to cook and clean but also bring home serious money.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:58
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
That's fine. Have a great day.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:58
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
I would never marry anyone who thought only 1 person in the marriage should be work s demanding job AND do everything at home.
That is it an expectation if anyone I know, male or female.
Maybe that’s an expectation if some narcissistic misogynist male but who the H would marry that. Might also be the expectation if some cultures in the world or some mentally disordered males, who have other incapabilities.
Well, you just described my ex BIL. He'd drink and play video games all day, then yell at my sis in law when she got home. She kicked him to the curb in a year, though (he did have a job when they got married, he got fired and then never for another job).
#mentaldisorders
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:58
Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.
There are many many young women who want a guy who makes all the money and they can stay home. That is also pretty common now. Income and will pay for everything is very high on most young women’s lists.
Have you ever noticed that a lot of the guys who want a SAHM traditional partner are the same guys who will never crack 65k/year?
I think there are two different camps in this whole discussion.
There are those men that want a stay at home because they feel that is where a woman belongs and they are lazy and want everything done for them and have that traditional view regardless of income. And want the security of knowing the woman is 100% reliant on them.
Then there are men who want a SAH because that is what works best for the family as whole. It allows them to pursue or stay in a higher earning career. They have some that can hold down the fort and not worry about juggling schedules when they have an extra long work day. They realize the ease of logistics, especially when planning vacations. The wife has more flexibility and security because of a better financial situation. I will the latter is more common in the DC area.
The second camp can afford outsourcing, and that's typically how it worked for wealthy couples for a long time. Publishing jobs wouldn't be filled if wealthy women didn't work.
Few wealthy men are sitting around having deep thoughts about his spouse being a SAHM vs a working mom. He deeply does not care/does not have the bandwidth to care. Figuring it out is up to his partner, but he doesn't worry if it's handled by her or her mom or hired help.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:57
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
+1
Who has the expectation that a wife must have a demanding career and do everything at home?
Disabled men?
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:56
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
I would never marry anyone who thought only 1 person in the marriage should be work s demanding job AND do everything at home.
That is it an expectation if anyone I know, male or female.
Maybe that’s an expectation if some narcissistic misogynist male but who the H would marry that. Might also be the expectation if some cultures in the world or some mentally disordered males, who have other incapabilities.
Well, you just described my ex BIL. He'd drink and play video games all day, then yell at my sis in law when she got home. She kicked him to the curb in a year, though (he did have a job when they got married, he got fired and then never for another job).
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:56
Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.
There are many many young women who want a guy who makes all the money and they can stay home. That is also pretty common now. Income and will pay for everything is very high on most young women’s lists.
Have you ever noticed that a lot of the guys who want a SAHM traditional partner are the same guys who will never crack 65k/year?
I think there are two different camps in this whole discussion.
There are those men that want a stay at home because they feel that is where a woman belongs and they are lazy and want everything done for them and have that traditional view regardless of income. And want the security of knowing the woman is 100% reliant on them.
Then there are men who want a SAH because that is what works best for the family as whole. It allows them to pursue or stay in a higher earning career. They have some that can hold down the fort and not worry about juggling schedules when they have an extra long work day. They realize the ease of logistics, especially when planning vacations. The wife has more flexibility and security because of a better financial situation. I will the latter is more common in the DC area.
Never heard any man walk around saying he wants a SAHW to do everything.
Must be some southern religious thing from families with money.
Big picture: half of all babies born in America don’t have a father figure.
So it’s not them.
It’s also not the educated white collar couples.
So what’s left is the clueless idiot males who say one thing but do the opposite.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:55
Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.
There are many many young women who want a guy who makes all the money and they can stay home. That is also pretty common now. Income and will pay for everything is very high on most young women’s lists.
Where is your proof? I have two dds who are not interested in traditional marriafe with men.
I think Gen Z is split. I work with young women at a restaurant part time and all the young hostess want to get married. That said I’ve seen some young servers care less and are more free. I think it’s just split. Gen Z very traditional and then not at all.
Also like many mentioned what someone wants at 19 is sooo different than reality. At that age I claimed I would never cook and I’ve been a SAHM for 11 years.
I agree the issue is men that don’t value housework. My spouse unfortunately pretended to care and did everything himself. But the DAY I quit, he quit helping. Now that I work part time, he still doesn’t help. And this is someone’s whose mother made him do chores daily.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:53
Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.
However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.
The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.
Never heard nor saw this “expectation.”
Who has this expectation?
I believe it was first pointed out in "The Second Shift." Have you read it?
If you're the same person who thought that women didn't have kids out of wedlock then you're just all over this thread being confidently wrong.
No I don’t care about neither of those other things.
I would never marry anyone who thought only 1 person in the marriage should be work s demanding job AND do everything at home.
That is it an expectation if anyone I know, male or female.
Maybe that’s an expectation if some narcissistic misogynist male but who the H would marry that. Might also be the expectation if some cultures in the world or some mentally disordered males, who have other incapabilities.
Anonymous
08/17/2024 08:50
Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.
There are many many young women who want a guy who makes all the money and they can stay home. That is also pretty common now. Income and will pay for everything is very high on most young women’s lists.
Have you ever noticed that a lot of the guys who want a SAHM traditional partner are the same guys who will never crack 65k/year?
I think there are two different camps in this whole discussion.
There are those men that want a stay at home because they feel that is where a woman belongs and they are lazy and want everything done for them and have that traditional view regardless of income. And want the security of knowing the woman is 100% reliant on them.
Then there are men who want a SAH because that is what works best for the family as whole. It allows them to pursue or stay in a higher earning career. They have some that can hold down the fort and not worry about juggling schedules when they have an extra long work day. They realize the ease of logistics, especially when planning vacations. The wife has more flexibility and security because of a better financial situation. I will the latter is more common in the DC area.