Anonymous
08/05/2024 11:27
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.
This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.
So what you are saying is that the cameras are effective in slowing people down. Sounds like a win!
Not sure they're making any difference, TBH. We've had traffic cameras for more than 20 years. The number of Washingtonians killed by speeding drivers by year:
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
The "X only counts if there was a fatal crash AND the police assigned X as the cause" poster is continuing to post.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 11:25
Subject: Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
This is the ramp to/from 66. There are no pedestrains, bicyclists, scooters, wheelchairs, children or dogs at risk. There are zero "safety" concerns involved. Instead there are very significant safety reasons regarding merging why someone might need to speed. It's nothing but a blatant cash grab.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 10:14
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
Trayon has been on this
“This ticket system we have in the District is crippling the finances of poor and working-class Black and Brown families,” said council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8), who has been an advocate of ticket reform since joining the council in 2017. “The average person doesn’t have an additional $300 in discretionary funds to pay to a government that has a $500 million surplus during a pandemic.”
The tickets are crazy expensive! This is just a money grab by the city.
If you don't speed and don't go through red lights, you won't get a ticket.
I have no idea how crazy expensive the tickets are, because I have never received one.
The tickets start at $100, double after 30 years and grow from there. It's funny that we get rid of library overdue fines in the name of equity, but we're fine with black drivers paying the lion's share of egregiously expensive traffic camera tickets. If you've ever gotten one at a stop sign, you know there are extremely picky. If you don't stop and sit there for a couple seconds, you get a ticket. No cop would do that.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:58
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
Trayon has been on this
“This ticket system we have in the District is crippling the finances of poor and working-class Black and Brown families,” said council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8), who has been an advocate of ticket reform since joining the council in 2017. “The average person doesn’t have an additional $300 in discretionary funds to pay to a government that has a $500 million surplus during a pandemic.”
The tickets are crazy expensive! This is just a money grab by the city.
If you don't speed and don't go through red lights, you won't get a ticket.
I have no idea how crazy expensive the tickets are, because I have never received one.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:58
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.
This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.
So what you are saying is that the cameras are effective in slowing people down. Sounds like a win!
Not sure they're making any difference, TBH. We've had traffic cameras for more than 20 years. The number of Washingtonians killed by speeding drivers by year:
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
How much has the regional population grown between 2010 and 2022?
How many more cars are there on the road from 2010 to 2022?
The denominator is important here.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:56
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
Trayon has been on this
“This ticket system we have in the District is crippling the finances of poor and working-class Black and Brown families,” said council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8), who has been an advocate of ticket reform since joining the council in 2017. “The average person doesn’t have an additional $300 in discretionary funds to pay to a government that has a $500 million surplus during a pandemic.”
The tickets are crazy expensive! This is just a money grab by the city.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:49
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
Trayon has been on this
“This ticket system we have in the District is crippling the finances of poor and working-class Black and Brown families,” said council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8), who has been an advocate of ticket reform since joining the council in 2017. “The average person doesn’t have an additional $300 in discretionary funds to pay to a government that has a $500 million surplus during a pandemic.”
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:49
Subject: Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
So drive the speed limit.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:47
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.
This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.
So what you are saying is that the cameras are effective in slowing people down. Sounds like a win!
Not sure they're making any difference, TBH. We've had traffic cameras for more than 20 years. The number of Washingtonians killed by speeding drivers by year:
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:40
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
The location of dangerous roads is racist as hell.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:38
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
A lot of cities have gotten rid of cameras because black drivers are, like, five times more likely to be hit than white drivers.
It is not true that a lot of cities have gotten rid of cameras for this reason.
Black people are disproportionately likely to be seriously injured or killed in traffic crashes.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:36
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
No tears for any driver of any race who racks up $1000ss in speeding tickets. They deserve to lose their right to drive.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:31
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
A lot of cities have gotten rid of cameras because black drivers are, like, five times more likely to be hit than white drivers.
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:27
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
"Advocates for changing the District’s system of fees and fines say the disparities show that the city’s ticketing and traffic enforcement policies not only target Black drivers but criminalize poverty. When a person in the District cannot pay their infractions, the amounts double. The city can then put a hold on license and vehicle renewals and registrations before calling on debt collection agencies that tack on additional surcharges to capture overdue fines. The result over time becomes a financial and bureaucratic black hole where people like Scott lose their vehicles and jobs, making it that much more difficult to crawl out of debt."
Anonymous
08/05/2024 09:25
Subject: Re:Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK
Anonymous wrote:Traffic cameras are racist as hell.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/
https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most
Black people facing the highest rate of traffic deaths is racist as hell.