Appears Marymount was just put on warning by the National accreditation board for non-compliance related to fiscal responsibility and related matters. Could be at risk of losing accreditation in the next few years.

Why was Marymount University placed on Warning? Marymount University was continued in accreditation and placed on Warning
because the SACSCOC Board of Trustees determined that the institution has not yet demonstrated compliance with Core
Requirement 13.1 (Financial resources), Standard 13.3 (Financial responsibility), Standard 13.4 (Control of finances), and Standard
13.6 (Federal and state responsibilities) of the Principles of Accreditation. These standards expect the institution to have sound
financial resources and a demonstrated, stable financial base to support the mission of the institution and the scope of its programs
and services; to manage its financial resources and operate in a fiscally responsible manner; to exercise appropriate control over all its
financial resources; and that an institution (a) is in compliance with its program responsibilities under Title IV of the most recent Higher
Education Act as amended and (b) audits financial aid programs as required by federal and state regulations. A Special Committee
was not authorized to visit the institution

https://sacscoc.app.box.com/s/j1vbtsg4qqzhx2tau5fhierf60mhjtd4

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.catholicherald.com/article/local/largest-class-in-marymounts-history/

Well, this article says they just enrolled the largest class ever. Hopefully things will continue to go in the right direction. The beginning of seeing a return on their investment.

I saw this link to VA Higher Ed in another thread and pulled up Marymount from the drop down box.

https://research.schev.edu/rdPage.aspx?rdReport=Enrollment.ExcludingDE&rdRequestForwarding=Form

It shows their base enrollment has been declining for a number of years. It was 2,256 in 2018 and has declined each year since and shows 1,815 for the 2024-2025 year. I’m not understanding how they can claim record enrollment for 2024-2025. Maybe they are including high school dual enrollment students in their totals but that is a bit misleading. This same table shows they used to have around 30 or so dual enrollment students a year and have increased it to 690 for the 2024-2025 school year. I don’t think these students pay for classes, and definitely aren’t full time paying students. My son’s high school has dual enrollment with another university and they don’t pay for classes.

So the school is boasting record enrollment yet 30% of that population are non paying high school dual enrollment students? Seems to be a bit of creative accounting/marketing. They don’t actually state this fall’s enrollment number in the Catholic Higher Ed article either which is interesting. They only talk about applicant numbers and inquiries.

The bigger concern is obviously the drop in tuition revenue from a decline of 450 full time students (20% drop). How are they making up that $18,000,000 based on tuition at 40k/student and how long can the school sustain these declines?

They should go public. Low performing VA publics get more $ per full time student than high performers because they wouldn't be able to survive without it. Could also hire a savvy marketing director? Rename?

The state already has too many schools that are at risk right now of shutting down in the not-too-distant future. Pretty much every school except for UVA, W&M, JMU, VCU and GMU.

https://virginiamercury.com/2024/10/08/study-finds-three-virginia-universities-with-some-viability-risks/

They say ODU/VMI are fine but we'll see in a couple years. The other seven remaining schools are in trouble. The state doesn't need new universities on the public rolls.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not an attractive campus, even with the Blue Goose gone.

I like the school but frankly we are about to see huge consolidation of schools.

A lot of non-selective colleges are going to close and there is really no stopping it.

I am hoping that more selective schools will pick up some campuses and run a second tier school for their waitlist and allow them top transfer to their main campus after their freshman year or something like that.

Kind of like UVA does with UVA wise.

I see no downside to this. We keep hearing that there are "more qualified applicants than we can admit, sorry you're rejected". Then why not find a place for these students at these private, selective colleges? Let them prove it in an auxiliary campus they can do the work, then let them in. Emory created a whole campus for this reason, Northeastern has their NU.in. USC has their Trojan Transfer. But many more state universities do it too, like the Univ. of California schools, UConn has their branch campuses, Penn State has their branches and allows transfers in. Michigan has guaranteed pathways. Univ Florida uses Santa Fe Community College.

Emory didn't create a whole campus. It's a common misconception on this forum. That is just emory college-the literal origin of the institution and the liberal arts college the school started as. Most other schools like Duke (who had trinity college) just didn't keep theirs.

Also Emory Oxford is probably the hardest 2 year school to get into in the nation, if not the world.

So...the tallest midget?

So you're good at being derogatory and you're dumb when it comes to 2-year schools. Look up Deep Springs before you post again, dummy.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not an attractive campus, even with the Blue Goose gone.

I like the school but frankly we are about to see huge consolidation of schools.

A lot of non-selective colleges are going to close and there is really no stopping it.

I am hoping that more selective schools will pick up some campuses and run a second tier school for their waitlist and allow them top transfer to their main campus after their freshman year or something like that.

Kind of like UVA does with UVA wise.

I see no downside to this. We keep hearing that there are "more qualified applicants than we can admit, sorry you're rejected". Then why not find a place for these students at these private, selective colleges? Let them prove it in an auxiliary campus they can do the work, then let them in. Emory created a whole campus for this reason, Northeastern has their NU.in. USC has their Trojan Transfer. But many more state universities do it too, like the Univ. of California schools, UConn has their branch campuses, Penn State has their branches and allows transfers in. Michigan has guaranteed pathways. Univ Florida uses Santa Fe Community College.

Emory didn't create a whole campus. It's a common misconception on this forum. That is just emory college-the literal origin of the institution and the liberal arts college the school started as. Most other schools like Duke (who had trinity college) just didn't keep theirs.

Also Emory Oxford is probably the hardest 2 year school to get into in the nation, if not the world.

So...the tallest midget?

FYI Marymount is going under. It may take 3-5 years, but it will happen. Draining or borrowing against the endowment is typically the last step before insolvency. They are also hiding dual enrollment numbers where students might be taking only one class and those are shown as FT. The President is basically a pariah outside of her cabinet and the board laps up whatever she says. The administration will likely find someone or someone/something to blame to blame when it flames out. Someone get out the popcorn.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M does have a Washington Center in DC. And VT has the new Innovation campus in Alexandria.

I’m not sure how difficult it is for a religious higher education institution (where land and property is owned by the Catholic Church) to be acquired by the state. Probably somewhat complicated.

UVA has a Northern Virginia outpost, too. Those "campuses" aren't really branches, more for specific programs/certificates. It's different from W&M's Richard Bland or UVA's college at Wise.

True, and I’m just not sure it makes financial sense for any of these state colleges to have a larger footprint (and increased cost) of operating in Northern Virginia. They already attract those students so what would there be to gain from investing more money in our high cost area?

If they had a version of UVA Wise in NOVA with guaranteed admission, they could pull in a lot of full pay students

Mason would probably try to block something like this since they get all the Nova commuter kids. Plus the main campus in Charlottesville isn’t prepared for droves of new transfers.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M does have a Washington Center in DC. And VT has the new Innovation campus in Alexandria.

I’m not sure how difficult it is for a religious higher education institution (where land and property is owned by the Catholic Church) to be acquired by the state. Probably somewhat complicated.

UVA has a Northern Virginia outpost, too. Those "campuses" aren't really branches, more for specific programs/certificates. It's different from W&M's Richard Bland or UVA's college at Wise.

True, and I’m just not sure it makes financial sense for any of these state colleges to have a larger footprint (and increased cost) of operating in Northern Virginia. They already attract those students so what would there be to gain from investing more money in our high cost area?

If they had a version of UVA Wise in NOVA with guaranteed admission, they could pull in a lot of full pay students

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Anonymous wrote:W&M does have a Washington Center in DC. And VT has the new Innovation campus in Alexandria.

I’m not sure how difficult it is for a religious higher education institution (where land and property is owned by the Catholic Church) to be acquired by the state. Probably somewhat complicated.

UVA has a Northern Virginia outpost, too. Those "campuses" aren't really branches, more for specific programs/certificates. It's different from W&M's Richard Bland or UVA's college at Wise.

True, and I’m just not sure it makes financial sense for any of these state colleges to have a larger footprint (and increased cost) of operating in Northern Virginia. They already attract those students so what would there be to gain from investing more money in our high cost area?

"Beginning of the end" so dramatic.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not an attractive campus, even with the Blue Goose gone.

I like the school but frankly we are about to see huge consolidation of schools.

A lot of non-selective colleges are going to close and there is really no stopping it.

I am hoping that more selective schools will pick up some campuses and run a second tier school for their waitlist and allow them top transfer to their main campus after their freshman year or something like that.

Kind of like UVA does with UVA wise.

I see no downside to this. We keep hearing that there are "more qualified applicants than we can admit, sorry you're rejected". Then why not find a place for these students at these private, selective colleges? Let them prove it in an auxiliary campus they can do the work, then let them in. Emory created a whole campus for this reason, Northeastern has their NU.in. USC has their Trojan Transfer. But many more state universities do it too, like the Univ. of California schools, UConn has their branch campuses, Penn State has their branches and allows transfers in. Michigan has guaranteed pathways. Univ Florida uses Santa Fe Community College.

Emory didn't create a whole campus. It's a common misconception on this forum. That is just emory college-the literal origin of the institution and the liberal arts college the school started as. Most other schools like Duke (who had trinity college) just didn't keep theirs.

Also Emory Oxford is probably the hardest 2 year school to get into in the nation, if not the world.

Deep springs is a bit harder.

Anonymous wrote:Also I bet Goucher is bought by Towson in 10-15 years.

Goucher is a small private college with lower muni bond ratings but it is right on top of Towson.

Could easily make it a second flagship campus to College park it has a good location they just need more land and buildings and funds. It would make it a one college town.

Similar to St. Johns taking over Marymount. The bigger well known school is nearby.

BTW St Johns has a ton of cash, big active alumni group. Plus their basketball team brings in a ton of cash they play a lot of games in Madison Square Garden. I have been and in good years like back in SJU vs. Georgetown glory days they sell out whole Garden and be scalpers out front. I was shocked to learn back in 1985 when they made Final 4 a million years ago and was really good. Tuition was only 4k a year. CBS paid them one million a game in 1985 for TV rights. Can you imagine one million a game when tuition is only 4k a year the cash flow? Plus MSG tickets for big games back then were $20 bucks each. Sounds like peanuts today but that is $20 bucks multiplied by 20,000 a game.

Amazing that today CBS pays 1 billion a year for college basketball rights. If your team is on TV you get a cut. St. Johns may be a shell of its former self. But since they have access to play in Madsion Square Garden and play in Big East the big names still have to play them and CBS loves Madision Square Garden. So they are still milking it,

Had to check, there's a NY Times article discussing the contract at the time. Their cut was more like 85K per game, three were televised in 1985, ratings were meh. College tuition in the 4K range was not rare at that time.

As for Marymount, wouldn't the real estate be more valuable as something else entirely?

Also I bet Goucher is bought by Towson in 10-15 years.

Goucher is a small private college with lower muni bond ratings but it is right on top of Towson.

Could easily make it a second flagship campus to College park it has a good location they just need more land and buildings and funds. It would make it a one college town.

Similar to St. Johns taking over Marymount. The bigger well known school is nearby.

BTW St Johns has a ton of cash, big active alumni group. Plus their basketball team brings in a ton of cash they play a lot of games in Madison Square Garden. I have been and in good years like back in SJU vs. Georgetown glory days they sell out whole Garden and be scalpers out front. I was shocked to learn back in 1985 when they made Final 4 a million years ago and was really good. Tuition was only 4k a year. CBS paid them one million a game in 1985 for TV rights. Can you imagine one million a game when tuition is only 4k a year the cash flow? Plus MSG tickets for big games back then were $20 bucks each. Sounds like peanuts today but that is $20 bucks multiplied by 20,000 a game.

Amazing that today CBS pays 1 billion a year for college basketball rights. If your team is on TV you get a cut. St. Johns may be a shell of its former self. But since they have access to play in Madsion Square Garden and play in Big East the big names still have to play them and CBS loves Madision Square Garden. So they are still milking it,

St. John's University which is a very large brand name Catholic University in NYC just shut down its small satellite Staten Island Campus which they own free and clear. I know for years they
are trying to secure a Manhattan location. Would not be shocked at all if they sold that Staten Island campus to developers and bought Marymount.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not an attractive campus, even with the Blue Goose gone.

I like the school but frankly we are about to see huge consolidation of schools.

A lot of non-selective colleges are going to close and there is really no stopping it.

I am hoping that more selective schools will pick up some campuses and run a second tier school for their waitlist and allow them top transfer to their main campus after their freshman year or something like that.

Kind of like UVA does with UVA wise.

I see no downside to this. We keep hearing that there are "more qualified applicants than we can admit, sorry you're rejected". Then why not find a place for these students at these private, selective colleges? Let them prove it in an auxiliary campus they can do the work, then let them in. Emory created a whole campus for this reason, Northeastern has their NU.in. USC has their Trojan Transfer. But many more state universities do it too, like the Univ. of California schools, UConn has their branch campuses, Penn State has their branches and allows transfers in. Michigan has guaranteed pathways. Univ Florida uses Santa Fe Community College.

Emory didn't create a whole campus. It's a common misconception on this forum. That is just emory college-the literal origin of the institution and the liberal arts college the school started as. Most other schools like Duke (who had trinity college) just didn't keep theirs.

Also Emory Oxford is probably the hardest 2 year school to get into in the nation, if not the world.

Anonymous wrote:W&M does have a Washington Center in DC. And VT has the new Innovation campus in Alexandria.

I’m not sure how difficult it is for a religious higher education institution (where land and property is owned by the Catholic Church) to be acquired by the state. Probably somewhat complicated.

UVA has a Northern Virginia outpost, too. Those "campuses" aren't really branches, more for specific programs/certificates. It's different from W&M's Richard Bland or UVA's college at Wise.