Anonymous
07/11/2024 17:07
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looking at Google maps, Tuckahoe, Overlee and Chesterbrook all have parking lots larger than orange Hunt that could be used for team areas. They also all have plenty of side streets which are what is generally used for parking? Looks to me like those red x’s are green check’s.
Orange Hunt has a lot of adjacent green space. You all are so desperate to punish these D1 teams that you want your kids to stand on asphalt and park god knows how far away and then walk through busy streets through traffic to get to the pool. Come up with better incentives and appropriate support for host pools that have the right setup and put measures in place to curb the bad behavior of some of the D1 spectator parents. The answer is not to cram the meets into their pools and make everything unpleasant and unsafe.
Easy: Shuttle service. Use the money forked out for luxury busses and have a shuttle service from a school or church.
I think participating in all of these big event meets that are super important to some families need to start just costing some amount of money. Clearly these folks will pay. Just make it all pay to play with a means-tested scholarship program for the few kids' parents who wouldn't pony up the money. Use the money to pay people to manage/handle a lot of this and to make it worth it to pools to hold these events. Running meets of this scale off the backs of volunteers is not sustainable and really not necessary either. People would complain for a couple of years about paying and about the good old days when they didn't pay and then it would all be forgotten and the new normal.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 17:00
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.
Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.
I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.
I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.
Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.
This. It goes back to there are no pools willing to host. It is so much to ask of a pool with the size of the league.
Pinecrest parent here -- trust me, there are very few of us who want to be hosting but we got kinda stuck with it.
We did a great job (self-reporting and from posts here last year) hosting our Divisionals last year (6) but there are all sorts of things NVSL is having us do differently this year so we shall see.
Kinda hope enough of you keep complaining that a better pool comes along and offers to do it instead of us having to host a 2nd year?!
Taking a look at all of this in prep for our next meeting this evening.
And yes, to the PP -- we host meets every summer and thankfully there have been no major issues with our shallow dive end. It sucks but it is what it is at this point. We met with NVSL and NOVA Pools last week to discuss how to high we can fill it up etc.
Why don't the board and the reps propose a rule change? That way those with the most invested provide the most resources.
I don't follow. What rules can the Pinecrest Board and Team reps change? You mean just change our minds and say we won't do it next year?
I think they mean the NVSL Board and team reps.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 16:55
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Why not hold these meets at the St. James? In all seriousness. It is competition pool, touch pads could be used. The teams could be set up outside. They could stagger the groups to account for space. For ASR they could stagger the groups to decrease the numbers with breaks.
Charge a per swimmer fee to cover the cost. I don't know the cost of renting the St. James for a day.
Or George Mason. In Atlanta (hell, even for the Georgia state summer champs meet), all of the champs meets are at Georgia Tech (and in SCY).
Anonymous
07/11/2024 16:48
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Looking at Google maps, Tuckahoe, Overlee and Chesterbrook all have parking lots larger than orange Hunt that could be used for team areas. They also all have plenty of side streets which are what is generally used for parking? Looks to me like those red x’s are green check’s.
Orange Hunt has a lot of adjacent green space. You all are so desperate to punish these D1 teams that you want your kids to stand on asphalt and park god knows how far away and then walk through busy streets through traffic to get to the pool. Come up with better incentives and appropriate support for host pools that have the right setup and put measures in place to curb the bad behavior of some of the D1 spectator parents. The answer is not to cram the meets into their pools and make everything unpleasant and unsafe.
Easy: Shuttle service. Use the money forked out for luxury busses and have a shuttle service from a school or church.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 16:45
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Things NVSL can do for divisional relay meet and ASR carnivals:
* Hold both events on a Sunday afternoon - no worries about traffic
* During off season, ask volunteers (I’d do it) to assess all 102 pools with a checklist looking at all the relevant factors:
— Parking
— Safety (team areas, kids walking to the pool area, cell service, heat, pool temp, etc)
— Traffic flow
— Whatever else matters
* Issue a transparent report showing which pools fall where on the checklist and issue any suggestions that pools could feasibly do to make them viable candidates
* I have other ideas, but maybe an NVSL member is reading and will take some of these to the Board
* Hold both events on a Sunday afternoon - no worries about traffic
* During off season, ask volunteers (I’d do it) to assess all 102 pools with a checklist looking at all the relevant factors:
— Parking
— Safety (team areas, kids walking to the pool area, cell service, heat, pool temp, etc)
— Traffic flow
— Whatever else matters
* Issue a transparent report showing which pools fall where on the checklist and issue any suggestions that pools could feasibly do to make them viable candidates
* I have other ideas, but maybe an NVSL member is reading and will take some of these to the Board
Anonymous
07/11/2024 16:25
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:100% agree with this! The lack of cell service was dangerous and not knowing about it meant we couldn’t plan accordingly. Also, we only heard about the lane issue after overhearing another team’s coach mention it. This should be noted on the documents page on the NVSL website.
“At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.”
It was 100% dangerous. Heat index 110. Kids everywhere. Parents disconnected from kids. Not being able to reach someone. Nevermind parents who let kids/elderly/dogs at home with sitters. No cell is a huge concern.
I understand that it was inconvenient not to have great cell service...but dangerous. Come on!
Anonymous
07/11/2024 16:23
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:100% agree with this! The lack of cell service was dangerous and not knowing about it meant we couldn’t plan accordingly. Also, we only heard about the lane issue after overhearing another team’s coach mention it. This should be noted on the documents page on the NVSL website.
“At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.”
I understand that it was inconvenient not to have great cell service...but dangerous. Come on!
DP, but it wasn’t ideal when there was lightning and teams were scrambling to pack up in a very crowded area. We had a couple younger swimmers unaccounted for and had no way to reach parents to confirm they’d left with adults. We had to walk far and then drive to reach parents to confirm. Maybe “dangerous” is dramatic, but lack of communication in that storm setting was stressful.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 15:46
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:100% agree with this! The lack of cell service was dangerous and not knowing about it meant we couldn’t plan accordingly. Also, we only heard about the lane issue after overhearing another team’s coach mention it. This should be noted on the documents page on the NVSL website.
“At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.”
I understand that it was inconvenient not to have great cell service...but dangerous. Come on!
Anonymous
07/11/2024 15:22
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
100% agree with this! The lack of cell service was dangerous and not knowing about it meant we couldn’t plan accordingly. Also, we only heard about the lane issue after overhearing another team’s coach mention it. This should be noted on the documents page on the NVSL website.
“At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.”
“At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.”
Anonymous
07/11/2024 14:59
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:How did Pinecrest get stuck with it? Its a really small pool. Without enough parking for regular swim meets, and a shallow dive area.
NVSL had no other takers.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 14:59
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.
Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.
I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.
I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.
Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.
This. It goes back to there are no pools willing to host. It is so much to ask of a pool with the size of the league.
Pinecrest parent here -- trust me, there are very few of us who want to be hosting but we got kinda stuck with it.
We did a great job (self-reporting and from posts here last year) hosting our Divisionals last year (6) but there are all sorts of things NVSL is having us do differently this year so we shall see.
Kinda hope enough of you keep complaining that a better pool comes along and offers to do it instead of us having to host a 2nd year?!
Taking a look at all of this in prep for our next meeting this evening.
And yes, to the PP -- we host meets every summer and thankfully there have been no major issues with our shallow dive end. It sucks but it is what it is at this point. We met with NVSL and NOVA Pools last week to discuss how to high we can fill it up etc.
Why don't the board and the reps propose a rule change? That way those with the most invested provide the most resources.
I don't follow. What rules can the Pinecrest Board and Team reps change? You mean just change our minds and say we won't do it next year?
Anonymous
07/11/2024 14:58
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
How did Pinecrest get stuck with it? Its a really small pool. Without enough parking for regular swim meets, and a shallow dive area.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 14:28
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.
Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.
I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.
I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.
Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.
This. It goes back to there are no pools willing to host. It is so much to ask of a pool with the size of the league.
Pinecrest parent here -- trust me, there are very few of us who want to be hosting but we got kinda stuck with it.
We did a great job (self-reporting and from posts here last year) hosting our Divisionals last year (6) but there are all sorts of things NVSL is having us do differently this year so we shall see.
Kinda hope enough of you keep complaining that a better pool comes along and offers to do it instead of us having to host a 2nd year?!
Taking a look at all of this in prep for our next meeting this evening.
And yes, to the PP -- we host meets every summer and thankfully there have been no major issues with our shallow dive end. It sucks but it is what it is at this point. We met with NVSL and NOVA Pools last week to discuss how to high we can fill it up etc.
Why don't the board and the reps propose a rule change? That way those with the most invested provide the most resources.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 14:24
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.
Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.
DC swam there at both an A meet and Divisionals last year and the shallow dive end was difficult for a lot of kids. From what I understand, PC mitigated the effect a little for Divisionals by overfilling the pool so that it was a little deeper.
I’d be more worried about team areas and parking. It was crazy enough for Divisionals. I can’t begin to imagine what All Stars will look like, but I give them credit for being willing to host it.
Anonymous
07/11/2024 14:20
Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.
Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.
I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.
I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.
Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.
This. It goes back to there are no pools willing to host. It is so much to ask of a pool with the size of the league.
Pinecrest parent here -- trust me, there are very few of us who want to be hosting but we got kinda stuck with it.
We did a great job (self-reporting and from posts here last year) hosting our Divisionals last year (6) but there are all sorts of things NVSL is having us do differently this year so we shall see.
Kinda hope enough of you keep complaining that a better pool comes along and offers to do it instead of us having to host a 2nd year?!
Taking a look at all of this in prep for our next meeting this evening.
And yes, to the PP -- we host meets every summer and thankfully there have been no major issues with our shallow dive end. It sucks but it is what it is at this point. We met with NVSL and NOVA Pools last week to discuss how to high we can fill it up etc.