Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

dp OH NO! A stranger on the internet no longer admires Taylor Swift! How will she go on?

Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

Surprise, surprise an older white man is jealous of a successful women and here are his defenders of misogyny. Why I am not surprised that he wouldn't go after any male singer?

I'm not even a 'real' Swifie. I just know that since she has become super popular and super wealthy a lot of people have been trying to take her down. Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

I don't think Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish are selling to the same market.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

Why are we even talking about mean girls? Both Taylor and Britney have had massive success. I mean, is there any other way? Why aren't we calling men who have had outsized success mean boys? It's a complete double standard.

In book publishing, authors have releases the same day. I'm not really a fan of anyone mentioned in this thread, but there are schedules and it seems silly to suggest that people ask everyone when to release. Especially when it's often reduced to a single day of the week. That's 52 days for huge industries.

+1 It's beyond BS that this isn't even a blip on the radar of male musicians. NEVER discussed.

Don’t you think that if a male fan started attacking and giving death threats to others, they would be in jail for stalking? I mean aren’t her fans getting away with it BECAUSE they are women and aren’t being taken seriously?

I was talking about the release of albums and the timing and the "mean girl" aspect of timing. But to your other point,.... what? The death threats are absurd, but they occur hourly on the internet. But more specifically, to answer your question, no I don't think a male fan attacking others would be in jail for stalking. Not for one hot stinking minute do I think that would happen.

I didn’t realize death threats were the new FU. Are you sure? I fine that scary. I mean if a high school kid made death threats, there would probably be action.
I guess that is all normalized now? This is my only social, so I don/t know.

I think she is a “mean girl” for many other reasons, or at least I wouldn’t want to know her as a friend. There is too much posing with the posse (drawing attention to her in-group), tearing down men she dated, and general insecurity about her that is off putting. She definitely wants to cultivate an in group fan presence (Easter eggs, secret parties for “cool fans”) adn that is mean girl like.

One day, TS won’t be this popular and that will be a very hard time for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Disappointed in Grohl. Why randomly go after a young woman performer? Thought he was such a nice guy.

Swift is 34. That's middle aged, in my country.

Dave Grohl lived next door to my husband. Went to school together. Dave's a cool guy.

middle age is 45-65

So we are living to 90 - 130 now?

Um, no.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

Why are we even talking about mean girls? Both Taylor and Britney have had massive success. I mean, is there any other way? Why aren't we calling men who have had outsized success mean boys? It's a complete double standard.

In book publishing, authors have releases the same day. I'm not really a fan of anyone mentioned in this thread, but there are schedules and it seems silly to suggest that people ask everyone when to release. Especially when it's often reduced to a single day of the week. That's 52 days for huge industries.

+1 It's beyond BS that this isn't even a blip on the radar of male musicians. NEVER discussed.

Don’t you think that if a male fan started attacking and giving death threats to others, they would be in jail for stalking? I mean aren’t her fans getting away with it BECAUSE they are women and aren’t being taken seriously?

I was talking about the release of albums and the timing and the "mean girl" aspect of timing. But to your other point,.... what? The death threats are absurd, but they occur hourly on the internet. But more specifically, to answer your question, no I don't think a male fan attacking others would be in jail for stalking. Not for one hot stinking minute do I think that would happen.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

Why are we even talking about mean girls? Both Taylor and Britney have had massive success. I mean, is there any other way? Why aren't we calling men who have had outsized success mean boys? It's a complete double standard.

In book publishing, authors have releases the same day. I'm not really a fan of anyone mentioned in this thread, but there are schedules and it seems silly to suggest that people ask everyone when to release. Especially when it's often reduced to a single day of the week. That's 52 days for huge industries.

+1 It's beyond BS that this isn't even a blip on the radar of male musicians. NEVER discussed.

Don’t you think that if a male fan started attacking and giving death threats to others, they would be in jail for stalking? I mean aren’t her fans getting away with it BECAUSE they are women and aren’t being taken seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:As a Foo Fighters fan and a huge Dave Grohl fan, it seems super uncharacteristic of him. This has nothing to do with Taylor Swift.

He randomly took a swipe and someone who has done nothing to him, it's was like blindsiding someone.

I think why this blew up is because it's super disappointing when a good hearted person does something like this.

But people are not perfect so DG is not perfect.

The bolded is not accurate. While Taylor herself didn't do anything, her fans were sending DEATH THREATS to his daughter. She had a chance to do something about it but simply uttering a few words, and she chose not to.

Death threats are not warranted, at all. But, to go back to playground politics, he started it by trying to drag her efforts publicly. Again, his daughter has nothing to do with this and the internet mob of insanity needs to calm down. He said something rude, Taylor responded, it should end there. I realize the internet doesn't work that way, but people who send death threats on the internet are hard to contain across the board.

Agree with this. I think it was coming after the band and insinuating they don't play live made her want to comment. She didn't defend herself, she defended them. I love Dave Grohl, and for me it was just a weird moment for him.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

Why are we even talking about mean girls? Both Taylor and Britney have had massive success. I mean, is there any other way? Why aren't we calling men who have had outsized success mean boys? It's a complete double standard.

In book publishing, authors have releases the same day. I'm not really a fan of anyone mentioned in this thread, but there are schedules and it seems silly to suggest that people ask everyone when to release. Especially when it's often reduced to a single day of the week. That's 52 days for huge industries.

+1 It's beyond BS that this isn't even a blip on the radar of male musicians. NEVER discussed.

Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

She could, and she has done it before. About John M., she said it happened a long time ago when she was 19 and that she’d moved past it.

So, she could call back the rabid fans IF she wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

She is at the top right now. She is an apex predator in the field of music. Why is pointing out that her show is an huge extravaganza rather than just people and their instruments bad? The whole idea about capitalism that swifites continually defend (by saying she can charge her fans for whatever as long as they will play) is that competition runs the machine. Competition automatically means the person at the top is the winner and is the one everyone guns for. But it seems like Swifties want to be able to say she can be at the top and no one can even criticize her. That isn’t how the game of capitalism works. Just because you are a woman and at the top doesn’t mean you aren’t fair game for comparisons. You can’t have the capitalist structure the put her at the top without competition. This is the downside.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

Why are we even talking about mean girls? Both Taylor and Britney have had massive success. I mean, is there any other way? Why aren't we calling men who have had outsized success mean boys? It's a complete double standard.

In book publishing, authors have releases the same day. I'm not really a fan of anyone mentioned in this thread, but there are schedules and it seems silly to suggest that people ask everyone when to release. Especially when it's often reduced to a single day of the week. That's 52 days for huge industries.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - BTW the more and more I am reading about Taylor Swift the less I like her. I think she is emotionally stunted (a la Britney Spears) and has a touch of the mean girl tendency. At the minimum she values profit over anything. She could easily reach out to her Swifties and tell them to stop bullying people but she doesn't want to push back on the people who buy her stuff.

So a man has to offer his opinion about a woman in his industry for no reason (he doesn't work with her) and she's the mean girl?

Methinks a lot of men are threatened by women like Taylor Swift. Dave Grohl is a legend, but he didn't hold up our economy last summer.

OP - sorry not saying the mean girl comment is related to Dave Grohl. I think the mean girl comment is more about the the running commentary about how Taylor likes to push her music out when she knows other women are putting out their albums. Maybe its just coincidence however it seems too coincidental that every time another big woman artist comes out (for example Billie Eilish) Taylor decides to re-release some tracks/album.

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Anonymous wrote:There's more to it... they were both performing in London the same weekend. He has praised her in the past. She sold out Wembley and he had a half full stadium. In the middle of his show, he very clearly insinuated that she doesn't perform a live show, which made people wrong assume that she lip synchs. He called his show the "errors tour" because they are live and make errors. Why would he do that?

What do you mean there is more to it?

PP was giving context to the comment.