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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

How often is club swim having to merge 17 different individual meets?

Does tonight’s NVSL ASR seeding meeting actually last 3 hours?

We've been notified about ASR, so it's decided.

Is the meeting over? Our team reps just announced one of our teams made it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

Because the seed times are mesningless? The only time that matters is the one you swim at the meet.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

So kids don't score the meet and not try. It increases the competition.

I’m sorry but that’s absurd. They really think some kid is scoring the meet and then won’t try depending on the results?! BS, come up with something better. Most of the A meet swimmers are club kids who honestly care more about their individual performance than who wins the meet.

Agree! Plus, all A meet times end up on the website so it doesn’t stay secret.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

So kids don't score the meet and not try. It increases the competition.

I’m sorry but that’s absurd. They really think some kid is scoring the meet and then won’t try depending on the results?! BS, come up with something better. Most of the A meet swimmers are club kids who honestly care more about their individual performance than who wins the meet.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

So kids don't score the meet and not try. It increases the competition.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

That part makes sense at least.

Why does nvsl want the seed times left off the meet sheets?

I have no real suspicions about NVSL. It the scheduled being pushed up is the worse.

The season starts too early as does relay carnival and divisionals. Push it all back a week to what it was before

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

Yes, team 1 swimmers from fastest to slowest seed times are lanes 3, 5, 1. Team two fastest to slowest by seed time is lanes 4,2,6.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to imagine what all the fuss and secrecy is for when it should just be the top times.

Yes. Club swim, everything posted almost immediately. It’s not the 1950s anymore and everything is electronic. Lack of transparency from NVSL is concerning.

I don’t think it’s lack of transparency as much as a reluctance to change.

There is a culture that promotes a lack of transparency throughout NVSL. Our Division decided not to share meet sheets with times. Sigh. They way they guard these sheets is beyond stunning.

It's not your division- its literally in the NVSL recommended procedures not to include seed times. https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf look at page 62 and on for recommended procedures. I disagree with it, but it is extremely engrained.

“without seed times” is in bold on page 62

they are serious

even though there are no seed times on the meet sheet, are the swimmers in certain lanes based on their times? like home team swimmer with fastest time in the heat is in lane 4, away team swimmer with fastest time in heat is in lane 3?

There is a bizarre amount of NVSL suspicion on this thread. There are a lot of exhaustive processes and procedures that have likely been developed over the years due to the issues that arise from manual timing. And the meet sheet without times is to counter rampant trash talking during meets and the fact that D1 teams used to seed fake times. There's no "guarding" of info. They publish actual times on their website. Let's not forget that this is a group of very dedicated volunteers. They are begging more people to join the Board so that they can step down, but almost no one steps up. I'm grateful for the NVSL and the summer experience it affords my kids. If you don't trust it or think their processes are silly, then join the Board and effect change and help automate some things. But most of their policies stem from data mistakes and the bad behavior of kids and parents, not them trying to operate in secrecy or create tedious processes for the sake of it. Sheesh...

Anonymous wrote:When is the all star meeting? When will they pop the red or white smoke and tell the teams?

From 7 to 10 tonight. Which seems excessive.

When is the all star meeting? When will they pop the red or white smoke and tell the teams?