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Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

There’s a place called Alexandria and historic Black neighborhoods in Fairfax. The story that you’re telling is too simplistic.

This is factually incorrect. The demographics for Fairfax and MOCO were very similar in 1970. Fairfax was around 95.5% white and 3.5% Black. Montgomery County was around 94.5% white and around 4% Black. Fast forward to today and Fairfax is 47% white, 10% Black, 16% Hispanic, 20% Asian, 7% multiracial & other groups. MOCO is 41% white, 18% Black, 19% Hispanic, 7% multiracial & other groups. The starting conditions for these two counties (in 1970) explains almost none of the differences in demographics today. Many Other factors (including random chance) and the geographical concentration of culturally specific amenities explain why demographics have diverged since then.

Montgomery County creating the Ag Reserve and blocking SFH production has a lot to do with why working class immigrants chose Virginia, they could buy a house. And why relatively poorer Black families moved to Montgomery County, cheaper rental housing.

Montgomery County created the Ag Reserve in 1980. A hell of a lot of SFHs have been built in Montgomery County since 1980. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous wrote:Are you familiar with the Civil War and which state was a member of the confederacy?

Richmond, Virginia was the seat of the confederacy and my parents vowed we would never cross over to Virginia. I grew up in MoCo and currently live in Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

There’s a place called Alexandria and historic Black neighborhoods in Fairfax. The story that you’re telling is too simplistic.

This is factually incorrect. The demographics for Fairfax and MOCO were very similar in 1970. Fairfax was around 95.5% white and 3.5% Black. Montgomery County was around 94.5% white and around 4% Black. Fast forward to today and Fairfax is 47% white, 10% Black, 16% Hispanic, 20% Asian, 7% multiracial & other groups. MOCO is 41% white, 18% Black, 19% Hispanic, 7% multiracial & other groups. The starting conditions for these two counties (in 1970) explains almost none of the differences in demographics today. Many Other factors (including random chance) and the geographical concentration of culturally specific amenities explain why demographics have diverged since then.

Montgomery County creating the Ag Reserve and blocking SFH production has a lot to do with why working class immigrants chose Virginia, they could buy a house. And why relatively poorer Black families moved to Montgomery County, cheaper rental housing.

The black families that moved to PG as part of the suburban black flight movement were not and are not poor. That's such a lazy assumption.

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Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

There’s a place called Alexandria and historic Black neighborhoods in Fairfax. The story that you’re telling is too simplistic.

This is factually incorrect. The demographics for Fairfax and MOCO were very similar in 1970. Fairfax was around 95.5% white and 3.5% Black. Montgomery County was around 94.5% white and around 4% Black. Fast forward to today and Fairfax is 47% white, 10% Black, 16% Hispanic, 20% Asian, 7% multiracial & other groups. MOCO is 41% white, 18% Black, 19% Hispanic, 7% multiracial & other groups. The starting conditions for these two counties (in 1970) explains almost none of the differences in demographics today. Many Other factors (including random chance) and the geographical concentration of culturally specific amenities explain why demographics have diverged since then.

Montgomery County creating the Ag Reserve and blocking SFH production has a lot to do with why working class immigrants chose Virginia, they could buy a house. And why relatively poorer Black families moved to Montgomery County, cheaper rental housing.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you familiar with the Civil War and which state was a member of the confederacy?

Uhh.. PG county schools didn’t desegregate until the 1970s

I went to PG schools in the 70’s and they were absolutely NOT segregated. I would get beat up by my black classmates every couple weeks for being white.

Wrong. The federal courts imposed forced bussing to desegregate PG Schools in 1972. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/pg/magnets/prince0902.htm

DP but do you know a decade is 10 years?

DP but did you know that 1970s was 5+ decades ago?

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Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

There’s a place called Alexandria and historic Black neighborhoods in Fairfax. The story that you’re telling is too simplistic.

This is factually incorrect. The demographics for Fairfax and MOCO were very similar in 1970. Fairfax was around 95.5% white and 3.5% Black. Montgomery County was around 94.5% white and around 4% Black. Fast forward to today and Fairfax is 47% white, 10% Black, 16% Hispanic, 20% Asian, 7% multiracial & other groups. MOCO is 41% white, 18% Black, 19% Hispanic, 7% multiracial & other groups. The starting conditions for these two counties (in 1970) explains almost none of the differences in demographics today. Many Other factors (including random chance) and the geographical concentration of culturally specific amenities explain why demographics have diverged since then.

Anonymous wrote:OP are you very young? Bowie has not been majority Black for very long at all. It was absolutely the center of white flight out of DC and in the 70s and 80s was basically all white. Early 2000s it started to diversify.

Bowie was the center of both white flight and black flight from SE.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish community in Rollingwood and Chevy Chase DC was due to the rest of the surrounding area having racial covenants.

Is this actually true? I joked when we put a mezuzah up on our house in AU Park that we were probably the first Jews to live here because of restrictive covenants, but then I read somewhere that actually most of upper NW didn't have any formal restrictions against Jews buying the houses — just informal "gentleman's agreement" types.

The Rollingwood part is absolutely true. It was also developed around the same time all the housing was razed in Federal Triangle.

Anonymous wrote:Real talk — why is NOVA more white / asian / middle eastern, and Maryland is more black / latino / Jewish? I’m a DC area native and admittedly don’t understand the dynamics behind this, but maybe it’s just ignorance due to my age or family history or whatever. Whats the deal here? It’s definitely noticeable.

Growing up for instance, I went to private school in Upper NW. Literally all of the black kids lived in Silver Spring, Bowie, and a few others. Every single Jewish kid lived in MoCo — their families would never live in NoVa not a single one of them. As for the white kids the majority lived in NoVa (McLean, Alexandria, Arlington), but some lived in Chevy Chase village. Asians and middle eastern kids all lived in NoVa.

Can anyone explain?

Waves of refugees came to NoVa in the 1970s to 1990s due to war, conflict, and their assistance to the US military. Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians and Persians in the 1970s. Afghanis in the 1980s, 2000s, and recently due to the reemergence of the Taliban.

In the 1970s-90s, it was cheaper to settle in NoVa than Montgomery County. DC was dangerous and had poor schools, so those recent arrivals tended to stay away from the city (this is also why the Chinese eventually left the District for cheaper/safer Rockville).

Refugee groups tend to be helped by religious groups when they arrive in country. I'd be curious to know if NoVa churches were primarily helping the initial waves of various Asian refugee ethnic groups and that's why they ended up in NoVa (vs. MoCo or PG counties).

OP are you very young? Bowie has not been majority Black for very long at all. It was absolutely the center of white flight out of DC and in the 70s and 80s was basically all white. Early 2000s it started to diversify.

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Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

There’s a place called Alexandria and historic Black neighborhoods in Fairfax. The story that you’re telling is too simplistic.

Yes, those were the places blacks people were "allowed" to live. It's also where NoVa placed the "colored" schools. Not too many de facto options for black people in Northern Virginia prior to 1970.

Anonymous wrote:Jewish community in Rollingwood and Chevy Chase DC was due to the rest of the surrounding area having racial covenants.

Is this actually true? I joked when we put a mezuzah up on our house in AU Park that we were probably the first Jews to live here because of restrictive covenants, but then I read somewhere that actually most of upper NW didn't have any formal restrictions against Jews buying the houses — just informal "gentleman's agreement" types.

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Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

There’s a place called Alexandria and historic Black neighborhoods in Fairfax. The story that you’re telling is too simplistic.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was deeded in homes not to sell to Blacks.

False

Huh? Tons of homes in Nova had racial covenants that said they couldn’t be sold to blacks or Jews.

https://marymount.edu/blog/researchers-unveil-findings-on-history-of-housing-discrimination-in-northern-virginia/



To be fair, the same thing was happening in parts of DC and MD too. My house in DC had racial covenants placed on it by the developer when it was originally built and sold in the 1920s.

That’s not exactly “tons” and doesn’t explain why it was 90%+ white just a couple decades ago.

A lot of NoVa was still empty farmland a few decades ago. It was the last part of the DMV to develop density and a small number of land owners controlled a lot of land (thus preventing earlier development). Black and Jewish communities were already settled in their long-standing communities in MD and DC when NoVa development really took off.

It has to do with history and time. For centuries, black people were trying to get out out Virginia and go north. That doesn't suddenly change when NoVa is finally forced to de facto de-segregate in the 1970s.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the different colonial underpinnings matter - e.g. MD was Catholic from the start; VA was a royal colony with a lot of loyalist 2nd sons who wouldn't inherit land in England.

A lot of it really just boils down to religion. MD was Catholic and bordered PA so it also got Quaker and Amish influence. So it was a lot more religiously pluralistic from the beginning.

VA as a chartered royal colony was always going to be strongly almost exclusively Protestant.