Anonymous wrote:Talked to a German relative recently and he seemed to take to heart the idea that if you believe in immigration controls, you are racist. He was like, okay, I guess I'm racist then. I had to explain, no no, don't adopt that outlook. I don't think the left has any idea what a monster they have created, telling people that if they want normal, basic things like police or border security, they are racist. Dogs don't start out mean, but if you kick them and abuse them, they become mean. Pretending people are bad for normal political views does nothing but invite the far right to the table. You all have no one to blame but yourselves.

All the blaming is stupid and inflaming. We’ve seen shifts to the far right after global migration events. You’re missing a whole lot by only looking at it from one angle. Start pressuring every member of congress to do something, and it might actually happen here.

Anonymous wrote:The problem arises when migrants refuse to assimilate to their host countries. And it's a big problem.

This is the issue right here. Germans and other Europeans don’t want to feel like strangers in their cities and villages. They don’t want people who are hostile toward Western values.

The biggest issue is that when you take on too many foreigners too fast there are problems. It is a small majority of migrants that are criminals but those number rise as the overall numbers of migrants rise. These criminals ruin it for other migrants who are then discriminated against by locals.

Amd the crazy thing is the migrants want these bad apples deported asap but liberal primarily white politicians decide that that police shouldn’t talk to immigration.

My parents are immigrants from a developing a country . I have absolutely no desire to live there because I like living in a place where you don’t have to bribe workers to do their job, where you can’t pay off judges, where there are environmental regulations, where there aren’t constant scams, and most people don’t litter.

Our family is super pro deport everyone who breaks the laws. It’s a privilege to be here as an asylum seeker or green card holder. You break the law you should get tossed out.

Look at what is happening in NYC. So many Venezuelans that now people there can’t stand them. Why? Because too many young men who are breaking the law. Using electric bikes to steal, brazenly shoplift, assaulting and shooting cops. The vast majority of Venezuelans aren’t like that and don’t want them around. But NYC won’t tell immigration when they arrest them. It benefits the rest of the migrants to toss all these punks out of the country.

if you need the migrants plus they are from former colonies- they feel no need to assimilate nor do they have any gratitude towards the europeans. They blame them for their problems plus the ones who had the wherewithal to get out of the camps and make it are usually the nastiest, most tough people. the nice ones get thrown of rafts and drown or sold into slavery.

These politicians need to focus on stopping the flow of migration and the only way to do that is to improve living conditions in the Global south and give people living there a reason to invest in their own countries. As climate change gets worse and social media showcases how the other half ives and dies, this problem will only get worse.
as someone upthread commented- attacking the Baathists and getting rid of Qaddafi was an enormous mistake. who cares if their people are suffering and governments are oppressive- they were good enough that the vast majority choose to stay put. The entire global population cannot move to or live off the prosperity of CA, EU,US, UAE, & AU. If they dont move here- they are sending money back. these countries need to be coaxed and supported into prosperity on their own or they will take everyone down with them. I am from a displaced people, my family stayed put for 300 years and the past 4 generations not single person had died in the land of their birth so I KNOW about immigration and how traumatic it is. People will keep migrating if they feel hopeless in their current circumstance or if the gamble is worth it. We cannot absorb 100s of millions of people and there are entire countries that would gladly send the entire population to these 5 entities mentioned above. That is not sustainable. instead of addressing this- politicians are either demonizing migrants or worrying about wether its culturally insensitive to tell the man with 3 wives in 3 government housing units that he shouldn't have more kids.

Yes, I’ve posted a few times in this forum over the last year when people say that they’d flee the US with another Trump election that Europe has been trending right. So has Israel.

Anonymous wrote:Talked to a German relative recently and he seemed to take to heart the idea that if you believe in immigration controls, you are racist. He was like, okay, I guess I'm racist then. I had to explain, no no, don't adopt that outlook. I don't think the left has any idea what a monster they have created, telling people that if they want normal, basic things like police or border security, they are racist. Dogs don't start out mean, but if you kick them and abuse them, they become mean. Pretending people are bad for normal political views does nothing but invite the far right to the table. You all have no one to blame but yourselves.

Correct. One of the worst things the left has done is make people immune to being called racist or transphobic or whatever. If you want policing in the face of rising crime and the left screams at you that you are racist, the rational response is to say “okay, I guess I’m a racist now. But I still want more policing.”

I’m actually pretty angry at how the left has essentially destroyed the power of naming hardcore racism. If everything is racist, nothing is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Not just Europe. Canada as well......

Conservatives lead by 18 over the Liberals. It’s been 658 straight days that the Conservatives have led the Liberals in Abacus Data polling.
If an election were held today, 42% of committed voters would vote Conservatives with the Liberals at 24%, the NDP at 18% and the Greens at 4%. The BQ is at 34% in Quebec.
Since our last survey, the Conservatives are up 1, the Liberals are unchanged, and the NDP is down 1. Since the beginning of the year, we have seen stability in vote intentions with the Conservatives consistently in the low 40s and the Liberals stuck in the low to mid 20s.

https://abacusdata.ca/conservatives-lead-by-18-evaluations-drop-trudeau-government-abacus-data/

Trudeau is sinking in the polls.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/10/justin-trudeau-election-politics-00134525

The shift to the right is more a response to Trudeau himself than the Liberal Party. I usually vote NDP and I'd be happier with a Conservative government than another Trudeau government at this point.

Are you going to vote for Poilievre?

The problem arises when migrants refuse to assimilate to their host countries. And it's a big problem.

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Anonymous wrote:In both Europe and Canada, the swing to the right - particularly among the young - is due primarily to unchecked immigration and high housing costs. In Canada, it's uneducated Indians, mostly from Punjab. In Europe, it's Arabs, Pakistanis, Afghans, and some from sub-Sahara Africa. None of these uneducated immigrants have any interest in assimilating. They are usually responsible for most of the crime and many don't work and just live off of benefits. And they've really increased the cost of rent in many communities. People have had enough and are voting accordingly. It has nothing to do with health care or education or trans whatever. It is 100 percent a reaction to the uneducated immigrants that have been flooding into Europe and Canada in recent years.

This is a huge global over generalization. People with views like you are very damaging and dangerous.

What’s truly dangerous is people like yourself who refuse to acknowledge that people have valid complaints about the costs of globalism and mass migration.

The refusal of mainstream politicians to adjust positions in response to this and; and instead just push policies citizens are unhappy with and try to shame and/or scare people into just accepting changes they don’t want is what has allowed people like Trump and others on the far-right to come into power and become relevant.

Yes, you are right that people have valid complaints about the costs of globalism and mass migration but it's not like the situation is the same in every country.

Many countries in Europe, particularly in the Mediterranean, are struggling with the flood of illegal immigrants which largely resulted from the destabilization of the Middle East (did that start with the US invasion of Iraq opposed by almost all European countries? I'm no expert). That form of mass migration is pretty hard to control and is not some sort of policy decision. In fact, the EU is spending billions trying to keep people out. Sure Germany chose to admit over a million Syrian refugees in a short period of time (maybe overly generous) but they would have had to go somewhere. France is dealing with the failure to integrate legal migrants from its former colonies which has built up over decades. Even the Swiss are increasingly anti-migrant with 24% of the population comprising migrants who arrived in the last 5 years to fill lower paid jobs for which there simplu aren't enough Swiss. Canada has chosen to adopt crazily high target for legal migrants but maybe it's the huge number of temporary migrants (especially international students) who are creating much of the pressure on housing.

When it comes down to it though, many people also don't want to make tough choices and do not acknowledge change has to happen one way or the other. They don't like change and want to keep things the way they have always been. Small, incremental changes are probably all right though. The problem is the world keeps spinning and big changes will come in time. The low birthrates and shrinking work forces in many Western countries mean they have no choice but to admit migrants, and these migrants are not mirror images of themselves. There is no queue of white, Western-educated, Christians waiting in the wings. Inevitably, those migrants come from countries with different cultures, religions and ways of thinking.

Look at what happened in the UK. There was a backlash to what was seen as a flood of migrants after the accession of the Eastern European countries. It was probably understandable given how quickly it happened and it led to Brexit. Now, the UK is poaching doctors and nurses across Africa and Asia to staff hospitals and is admitting huge numbers of international students to subsidise its universities as no government is prepared to increase government support or raise the tuition fees to ensure they can continue to run properly.

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Anonymous wrote:Not talked about much, but Europeans aren't as enthusiastic about the Russian sanctions and feeding the war in Ukraine either.

Russia is a valuable trading partner for the EU. Always has been, always will be.

There needs to be a peace deal in Ukraine. It can't continue like this for the next 20+ years.

The peace deal happens when Russia pulls its troops out of another country.

The peace deal happens next January when we have an actual president again.

Anonymous wrote:Talked to a German relative recently and he seemed to take to heart the idea that if you believe in immigration controls, you are racist. He was like, okay, I guess I'm racist then. I had to explain, no no, don't adopt that outlook. I don't think the left has any idea what a monster they have created, telling people that if they want normal, basic things like police or border security, they are racist. Dogs don't start out mean, but if you kick them and abuse them, they become mean. Pretending people are bad for normal political views does nothing but invite the far right to the table. You all have no one to blame but yourselves.

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Talked to a German relative recently and he seemed to take to heart the idea that if you believe in immigration controls, you are racist. He was like, okay, I guess I'm racist then. I had to explain, no no, don't adopt that outlook. I don't think the left has any idea what a monster they have created, telling people that if they want normal, basic things like police or border security, they are racist. Dogs don't start out mean, but if you kick them and abuse them, they become mean. Pretending people are bad for normal political views does nothing but invite the far right to the table. You all have no one to blame but yourselves.

Anonymous wrote:In both Europe and Canada, the swing to the right - particularly among the young - is due primarily to unchecked immigration and high housing costs. In Canada, it's uneducated Indians, mostly from Punjab. In Europe, it's Arabs, Pakistanis, Afghans, and some from sub-Sahara Africa. None of these uneducated immigrants have any interest in assimilating. They are usually responsible for most of the crime and many don't work and just live off of benefits. And they've really increased the cost of rent in many communities. People have had enough and are voting accordingly. It has nothing to do with health care or education or trans whatever. It is 100 percent a reaction to the uneducated immigrants that have been flooding into Europe and Canada in recent years.

Toronto was literally the most diverse city in the world, and everyone was living fairly harmoniously until a few years ago. But Trudeau imported something like a million students from Punjab to the GTA in just a few years (almost all single, male, and uneducated) and it's tested people's tolerance. It's actually less recent immigrants who are most fed up. The low percentage of third generation or older Canadians in Toronto are mostly screaming about Palestine right now and pretty oblivious to the recent waves of Punjabi immigrants, unless they bother to open their doors to acknowledge who is delivering their food.

Anonymous wrote:Not just Europe. Canada as well......

Conservatives lead by 18 over the Liberals. It’s been 658 straight days that the Conservatives have led the Liberals in Abacus Data polling.
If an election were held today, 42% of committed voters would vote Conservatives with the Liberals at 24%, the NDP at 18% and the Greens at 4%. The BQ is at 34% in Quebec.
Since our last survey, the Conservatives are up 1, the Liberals are unchanged, and the NDP is down 1. Since the beginning of the year, we have seen stability in vote intentions with the Conservatives consistently in the low 40s and the Liberals stuck in the low to mid 20s.

https://abacusdata.ca/conservatives-lead-by-18-evaluations-drop-trudeau-government-abacus-data/

Trudeau is sinking in the polls.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/10/justin-trudeau-election-politics-00134525

The shift to the right is more a response to Trudeau himself than the Liberal Party. I usually vote NDP and I'd be happier with a Conservative government than another Trudeau government at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:The Belgian prime minister has now resigned.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13511669/amp/Belgian-Prime-Minister-Alexander-Croo-announces-resign-losing-right-wing-parties-European-elections.html

Their term was up. They resigned from their party.

He resigned because he lost.

Belgium’s Prime Minister Alexander De Croo has resigned after his party suffered a disastrous defeat in national and European parliamentary elections on Sunday.

The 48-year-old struggled to hold back tears when announcing the decision on Sunday evening in Brussels.

“I was the figurehead of this campaign. This is not the result I had hoped for, and I therefore take responsibility for this result, it was not meant to be,” de Croo told journalists. “As of tomorrow, I will be resigning as prime minister and I will fully concentrate on current affairs,” he added.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/european-election-results-06-09-24-intl

Not just France