Anonymous wrote:That's all wishful interpretation. The material Insight chose to include in quant-q is based on generic knowledge, and that's what the prep books available on Amazon contain. It is ridiculous to suggest it is any different from sat, act, etc, or any workbook, textbook for that matter. If Insight believed the amazon prep books had their proprietary information, those wouldn't be allowed to be sold by Amazon for decades for $19.95.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

I am not indian but I think all this anti-indian racism is bullshit, but I am curious why anyone would want to hurt curie's reputation? It sounds like their business model is easily copied.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?

It was covered extensively here the other week in a recent thread. There were a half-dozen links there. You're going to have to do your own leg work this time, but I imagine you already know all this and just like to keep asking.

It wasn't exactly a scandal but some students shared what they saw at the test and this gave people an idea of the test format and question type.

There are claims that the test company used the same question year after year, effectively giving some kids advance knowledge of the test questions.
This is effectively malpractice in the testing world and seems hard to believe.
The format of the test is well known enough that you can buy books on amazon about the test.
https://www.amazon.com/Quant-Test-Prep-Book-Practice/dp/109286427X

If you think people shouldn't be allowed to study for a test then that is a different conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?

It was covered extensively here the other week in a recent thread. There were a half-dozen links there. You're going to have to do your own leg work this time, but I imagine you already know all this and just like to keep asking.

It wasn't exactly a scandal but some students shared what they saw at the test and this gave people an idea of the test format and question type.

There are claims that the test company used the same question year after year, effectively giving some kids advance knowledge of the test questions.
This is effectively malpractice in the testing world and seems hard to believe.
The format of the test is well known enough that you can buy books on amazon about the test.
https://www.amazon.com/Quant-Test-Prep-Book-Practice/dp/109286427X

If you think people shouldn't be allowed to study for a test then that is a different conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?

It was covered extensively here the other week in a recent thread. There were a half-dozen links there. You're going to have to do your own leg work this time, but I imagine you already know all this and just like to keep asking.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?

It was covered extensively here the other week in a recent thread. There were a half-dozen links there. You're going to have to do your own leg work this time, but I imagine you already know all this and just like to keep asking.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

other than fake posts on this forum and facebook tj vents, what news sources?

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard that AAP teachers express gratitude towards students who arrive prepared for class, as it avoids the need for them to teach remedial topics.

With all of the gatekeeping around AAP is there really a significant number of kids who need remediation?

So many of those AAP kids are getting in through parent referrals and principal placement (especially at wealthier whiter schools), the gatekeeping is not merit based.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard that AAP teachers express gratitude towards students who arrive prepared for class, as it avoids the need for them to teach remedial topics.

With all of the gatekeeping around AAP is there really a significant number of kids who need remediation?

could be. with gatekeeping using subjective criteria instead of objective

Most of AAP “criteria” is objective.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

It's been covered here over and over. There were links to multiple news sources just a few weeks ago and god knows how many first-hand accounts.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

No, it's not a made-up story. It's real.
Curie posted names of students but had to remove them when the scandal came out.

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Anonymous wrote:DC attends Curie, and we moved from Kumon for cost reasons. For multiple subjects, Curie is much cheaper than Kumon. Curie as year long grade enrichment for advanced math, english, science and summer courses, has been working well.

But not sure how effective it is to enroll just at the tail end in one month tj essay prep course. Think of this in terms of - how effective would Kumon be if student enrolled for just a month before final exam. Mastering math takes years, not a month or two.

There is a difference between year long enrichment and test prep. Test prep is about 10 hours of instruction on testing format, time management, things like process of elimination and how to guess, and practice exams. Some commenters are basically saying that practice exams are cheating.
If you are learning substantive material that might be useful on a mathcounts competition, etc. then this is just studying.

What do practice exams mean? periodic assessments? At Curie, there are upfront placement tests and periodic assessments along the way, and before moving to the next level, similar to Kumon. The overall curriculum is fast paced and high rigor, so these checkpoint assessments help in deciding if student wants to continue to dropout. Considerable number dropout.

Practice exams in the test prep context means taking a previously administered test from a few years ago.

This whole curie thing comes from a bunch of people who are just looking for reasons to justify their racism by saying that the reason they changed the admissions process was to combat the rampant cheating coming out of curie. They accuse curie of selling TJ test answers and allowing their students to effectively buy their way into tj. It's stupid and racist. if you watched the hearings surrounding the change in admissions process, there was a lot of ugly racism on display against all asians but particulary against the indians because they are the newcomers.

Too bad it all actually happened and has been proven here over and over.

The only part that actually happened was the racism during the hearings and the racism driving the changes to the admissions process.

The admissions changes were driven by a desire for racial balancing not to counteract cheating.
BTW, the cheating at question here is that some kids shared their recollection about the test questions and format with curie after the test.

People are guessing that this happened. What is known (at least some have said they saw it) is that Curie gave had a bank of qiuestions that might be asked and kids said they saw exact questions.

But many more have said it's a made-up story! A fabricated story concocted to hurt Curie's reputition, but paradoxically sends more business towards them

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard that AAP teachers express gratitude towards students who arrive prepared for class, as it avoids the need for them to teach remedial topics.

With all of the gatekeeping around AAP is there really a significant number of kids who need remediation?

could be. with gatekeeping using subjective criteria instead of objective

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard that AAP teachers express gratitude towards students who arrive prepared for class, as it avoids the need for them to teach remedial topics.

With all of the gatekeeping around AAP is there really a significant number of kids who need remediation?