Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
The problem starts at grass-youth soccer.
Coaches not knowledgeable or properly certified or doing ongoing education in youth development.
Parents not knowledgeable, don't really care, didn't come from soccer culture.
Kids don't know what they don't know.
Terms like 'elite' acceptedly misused and abused
Parents with money and corporate influence but dunce to high level soccer calling the shots
Clubs happily accepting mediocre as long as the right pockets get lined. Repeat for the next batch
By the time physicality is no longer an advantage and tactics/philosophies get complicated, the gap widens between us and elsewhere.
One or two diamonds will always make it out of the coal-mine
The lack of soccer culture really is a huge issue. many kids don't watch professional soccer to see how it's supposed to be done, or the level of creativity brought to the game by elite players. The lack field awareness and game IQ because they've not seen it done or have no one to emulate. I'd compare it to a chef who specializes in French cuisine and cooks straight from a cookbook but has never lived in or immersed himself in the culture to taste/grow up with the food. Sure, you can follow the recipe and the steps but there'd be a level of authenticity missing. That's US soccer. It's textbook, boring and lacks panache.
I've heard Tom Byer, an American who has been working for decades in Japan to promote and develop soccer there, talk about his philosophy of "soccer begins at home" and how Japan, a country without a soccer culture, has succeeded in developing technically proficient competitive players on both the men's and women's sides. His perspective is interesting, but the main takeaway is that kids need to develop technical skills from a young age outside of competitive situations. American soccer, which prioritizes speed and strength and focuses on competition and outcomes, devalues technical development and skill acquisition that should be prioritized in young players.
https://www.socceramerica.com/tom-byer-on-the-intriguing-comparisons-between-us/
I'm a big fan of Tom Beyer and own his book. And I don't disagree with anything that he's said about the importance of very young kids developing their soccer skills. What I find interesting is how this same dynamic is not so much at play with other sports -- you rarely (if ever) hear anyone focusing on very young kids developing technical skills in basketball, baseball, or American football. In those sports, kids seems to be able to get away with just being good athletes who pick up technical abilities in those other sports later in childhood.
This seems to indicate that highly developed soccer skills really are uniquely difficult -- after all, using your feet rather than your hands is not natural for humans -- and that soccer really is the Beautiful Game and the most popular sport in the world for a reason.
That's one way to say that you don't have kids playing those sports
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is what it is. Soccer is not a top tier sport in this country. It’s not in the culture like football or basketball or even baseball. Unless you could change the culture it will never be on par with the rest of the world. The truly top players aspiring to play outside this country tells all you need to know
American football is a dying sport -- fewer and fewer parents want to sign their children up for brain damage.
That leaves basketball (a winter sport, mainly) and baseball.
Far more kids play soccer (2.2M in 2021) than American football (677K); although yes basketball (4.2M) and baseball (3.7M) are the most popular.
Seems to me that soccer has made it into the "top tier" of American sports at this point and is firmly part of the culture of America. America will continue to steadily improve on the world soccer stage.
https://projectplay.org/state-of-play-2022/participation-trends
Those numbers are for organized play, not for cultural awareness and popularity. To say that any sport in this country is more popular than American football is crazy. The NFL makes more than all the others combined. College football generates huge revenues and helps fund all the other college sports (like soccer). Follow the money, people. There are far, far more kids on school playgrounds in this country playing American football and basketball than other sports. Kids know and follow these athletes. They want to be them. It's not even close. It doesn't mean these sports are better. They are just part of the US culture. There are enough people in the country to have lots of sports but not all can be top tier
Anyone saying there are more kids in America playing Tackle Football than Soccer better provide some evidence to overrule our eyes
There aren’t more kids playing organized football than organized soccer. But way more kids follow it and watch it and understand it and play it informally than soccer. High school football games are big, celebrated events. Soccer is barely attended. Yes, football is way more popular and part of the culture like soccer is abroad. Popularity absolutely translates into the development of players and coaches.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is what it is. Soccer is not a top tier sport in this country. It’s not in the culture like football or basketball or even baseball. Unless you could change the culture it will never be on par with the rest of the world. The truly top players aspiring to play outside this country tells all you need to know
American football is a dying sport -- fewer and fewer parents want to sign their children up for brain damage.
That leaves basketball (a winter sport, mainly) and baseball.
Far more kids play soccer (2.2M in 2021) than American football (677K); although yes basketball (4.2M) and baseball (3.7M) are the most popular.
Seems to me that soccer has made it into the "top tier" of American sports at this point and is firmly part of the culture of America. America will continue to steadily improve on the world soccer stage.
https://projectplay.org/state-of-play-2022/participation-trends
Those numbers are for organized play, not for cultural awareness and popularity. To say that any sport in this country is more popular than American football is crazy. The NFL makes more than all the others combined. College football generates huge revenues and helps fund all the other college sports (like soccer). Follow the money, people. There are far, far more kids on school playgrounds in this country playing American football and basketball than other sports. Kids know and follow these athletes. They want to be them. It's not even close. It doesn't mean these sports are better. They are just part of the US culture. There are enough people in the country to have lots of sports but not all can be top tier
Anyone saying there are more kids in America playing Tackle Football than Soccer better provide some evidence to overrule our eyes
There aren’t more kids playing organized football than organized soccer. But way more kids follow it and watch it and understand it and play it informally than soccer. High school football games are big, celebrated events. Soccer is barely attended. Yes, football is way more popular and part of the culture like soccer is abroad. Popularity absolutely translates into the development of players and coaches.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP. My son doesn't play MLS Next but the few friends he has who do are pretty damn good.
I use to think this way till “our” went to Spain. OMG we got destroyed by what would be considered the 3rd and 4th teams. They pretty damn good but there are many levels up the top leagues in the US youth travel.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is what it is. Soccer is not a top tier sport in this country. It’s not in the culture like football or basketball or even baseball. Unless you could change the culture it will never be on par with the rest of the world. The truly top players aspiring to play outside this country tells all you need to know
American football is a dying sport -- fewer and fewer parents want to sign their children up for brain damage.
That leaves basketball (a winter sport, mainly) and baseball.
Far more kids play soccer (2.2M in 2021) than American football (677K); although yes basketball (4.2M) and baseball (3.7M) are the most popular.
Seems to me that soccer has made it into the "top tier" of American sports at this point and is firmly part of the culture of America. America will continue to steadily improve on the world soccer stage.
https://projectplay.org/state-of-play-2022/participation-trends
Those numbers are for organized play, not for cultural awareness and popularity. To say that any sport in this country is more popular than American football is crazy. The NFL makes more than all the others combined. College football generates huge revenues and helps fund all the other college sports (like soccer). Follow the money, people. There are far, far more kids on school playgrounds in this country playing American football and basketball than other sports. Kids know and follow these athletes. They want to be them. It's not even close. It doesn't mean these sports are better. They are just part of the US culture. There are enough people in the country to have lots of sports but not all can be top tier
Anyone saying there are more kids in America playing Tackle Football than Soccer better provide some evidence to overrule our eyes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
The problem starts at grass-youth soccer.
Coaches not knowledgeable or properly certified or doing ongoing education in youth development.
Parents not knowledgeable, don't really care, didn't come from soccer culture.
Kids don't know what they don't know.
Terms like 'elite' acceptedly misused and abused
Parents with money and corporate influence but dunce to high level soccer calling the shots
Clubs happily accepting mediocre as long as the right pockets get lined. Repeat for the next batch
By the time physicality is no longer an advantage and tactics/philosophies get complicated, the gap widens between us and elsewhere.
One or two diamonds will always make it out of the coal-mine
The lack of soccer culture really is a huge issue. many kids don't watch professional soccer to see how it's supposed to be done, or the level of creativity brought to the game by elite players. The lack field awareness and game IQ because they've not seen it done or have no one to emulate. I'd compare it to a chef who specializes in French cuisine and cooks straight from a cookbook but has never lived in or immersed himself in the culture to taste/grow up with the food. Sure, you can follow the recipe and the steps but there'd be a level of authenticity missing. That's US soccer. It's textbook, boring and lacks panache.
I've heard Tom Byer, an American who has been working for decades in Japan to promote and develop soccer there, talk about his philosophy of "soccer begins at home" and how Japan, a country without a soccer culture, has succeeded in developing technically proficient competitive players on both the men's and women's sides. His perspective is interesting, but the main takeaway is that kids need to develop technical skills from a young age outside of competitive situations. American soccer, which prioritizes speed and strength and focuses on competition and outcomes, devalues technical development and skill acquisition that should be prioritized in young players.
https://www.socceramerica.com/tom-byer-on-the-intriguing-comparisons-between-us/
I agree that the technical development is truly lacking. Most coaches think speed will make up for what a player lacks in footskills which is a fundamentally flawed way of thinking. But Japan will only get so far with that focus. Don't get me wrong, I think Japan has come a long way but they won't measure up to the caliber of a country like BRA, ARG, FRA, ENG or similar using that oh so Japanese mentality.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is what it is. Soccer is not a top tier sport in this country. It’s not in the culture like football or basketball or even baseball. Unless you could change the culture it will never be on par with the rest of the world. The truly top players aspiring to play outside this country tells all you need to know
American football is a dying sport -- fewer and fewer parents want to sign their children up for brain damage.
That leaves basketball (a winter sport, mainly) and baseball.
Far more kids play soccer (2.2M in 2021) than American football (677K); although yes basketball (4.2M) and baseball (3.7M) are the most popular.
Seems to me that soccer has made it into the "top tier" of American sports at this point and is firmly part of the culture of America. America will continue to steadily improve on the world soccer stage.
https://projectplay.org/state-of-play-2022/participation-trends
Those numbers are for organized play, not for cultural awareness and popularity. To say that any sport in this country is more popular than American football is crazy. The NFL makes more than all the others combined. College football generates huge revenues and helps fund all the other college sports (like soccer). Follow the money, people. There are far, far more kids on school playgrounds in this country playing American football and basketball than other sports. Kids know and follow these athletes. They want to be them. It's not even close. It doesn't mean these sports are better. They are just part of the US culture. There are enough people in the country to have lots of sports but not all can be top tier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
Do we have mega-stars in every sport played internationally?
In sports that we care about? Yes
Anonymous wrote:Alex Morgan and Matt Turner started organized soccer in their teens.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
The problem starts at grass-youth soccer.
Coaches not knowledgeable or properly certified or doing ongoing education in youth development.
Parents not knowledgeable, don't really care, didn't come from soccer culture.
Kids don't know what they don't know.
Terms like 'elite' acceptedly misused and abused
Parents with money and corporate influence but dunce to high level soccer calling the shots
Clubs happily accepting mediocre as long as the right pockets get lined. Repeat for the next batch
By the time physicality is no longer an advantage and tactics/philosophies get complicated, the gap widens between us and elsewhere.
One or two diamonds will always make it out of the coal-mine
The lack of soccer culture really is a huge issue. many kids don't watch professional soccer to see how it's supposed to be done, or the level of creativity brought to the game by elite players. The lack field awareness and game IQ because they've not seen it done or have no one to emulate. I'd compare it to a chef who specializes in French cuisine and cooks straight from a cookbook but has never lived in or immersed himself in the culture to taste/grow up with the food. Sure, you can follow the recipe and the steps but there'd be a level of authenticity missing. That's US soccer. It's textbook, boring and lacks panache.
I've heard Tom Byer, an American who has been working for decades in Japan to promote and develop soccer there, talk about his philosophy of "soccer begins at home" and how Japan, a country without a soccer culture, has succeeded in developing technically proficient competitive players on both the men's and women's sides. His perspective is interesting, but the main takeaway is that kids need to develop technical skills from a young age outside of competitive situations. American soccer, which prioritizes speed and strength and focuses on competition and outcomes, devalues technical development and skill acquisition that should be prioritized in young players.
https://www.socceramerica.com/tom-byer-on-the-intriguing-comparisons-between-us/
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
The problem starts at grass-youth soccer.
Coaches not knowledgeable or properly certified or doing ongoing education in youth development.
Parents not knowledgeable, don't really care, didn't come from soccer culture.
Kids don't know what they don't know.
Terms like 'elite' acceptedly misused and abused
Parents with money and corporate influence but dunce to high level soccer calling the shots
Clubs happily accepting mediocre as long as the right pockets get lined. Repeat for the next batch
By the time physicality is no longer an advantage and tactics/philosophies get complicated, the gap widens between us and elsewhere.
One or two diamonds will always make it out of the coal-mine
The lack of soccer culture really is a huge issue. many kids don't watch professional soccer to see how it's supposed to be done, or the level of creativity brought to the game by elite players. The lack field awareness and game IQ because they've not seen it done or have no one to emulate. I'd compare it to a chef who specializes in French cuisine and cooks straight from a cookbook but has never lived in or immersed himself in the culture to taste/grow up with the food. Sure, you can follow the recipe and the steps but there'd be a level of authenticity missing. That's US soccer. It's textbook, boring and lacks panache.
I've heard Tom Byer, an American who has been working for decades in Japan to promote and develop soccer there, talk about his philosophy of "soccer begins at home" and how Japan, a country without a soccer culture, has succeeded in developing technically proficient competitive players on both the men's and women's sides. His perspective is interesting, but the main takeaway is that kids need to develop technical skills from a young age outside of competitive situations. American soccer, which prioritizes speed and strength and focuses on competition and outcomes, devalues technical development and skill acquisition that should be prioritized in young players.
https://www.socceramerica.com/tom-byer-on-the-intriguing-comparisons-between-us/
I'm a big fan of Tom Beyer and own his book. And I don't disagree with anything that he's said about the importance of very young kids developing their soccer skills. What I find interesting is how this same dynamic is not so much at play with other sports -- you rarely (if ever) hear anyone focusing on very young kids developing technical skills in basketball, baseball, or American football. In those sports, kids seems to be able to get away with just being good athletes who pick up technical abilities in those other sports later in childhood.
This seems to indicate that highly developed soccer skills really are uniquely difficult -- after all, using your feet rather than your hands is not natural for humans -- and that soccer really is the Beautiful Game and the most popular sport in the world for a reason.
That's one way to say that you don't have kids playing those sports
I'm a DP, but I agree with the PP. That's not to say that kids build skills in those other sports from a young age. However, there are athletes who take up sports like basketball and football as teens and are able to compete at high levels. These athletes tend to have specific physical attributes that are advantageous in the sport. You rarely, if ever, hear of a late-to-soccer athlete who is able to excel.
I am sure it depends on where you live but I'm sure you'd have to be a heck of an athlete to walk on to our girls high school basketball team. They've all been playing travel ball for years. And you can just see why...the later-to-sport kids don't have the same fluidity in movement as those that have been playing. It just isn't in their muscle memory
Here is a list of successful NBA players who started playing basketball in their teens or later.
https://fadeawayworld.net/10-nba-players-who-started-playing-basketball-late-dennis-rodman-began-playing-at-21-years-old
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
The problem starts at grass-youth soccer.
Coaches not knowledgeable or properly certified or doing ongoing education in youth development.
Parents not knowledgeable, don't really care, didn't come from soccer culture.
Kids don't know what they don't know.
Terms like 'elite' acceptedly misused and abused
Parents with money and corporate influence but dunce to high level soccer calling the shots
Clubs happily accepting mediocre as long as the right pockets get lined. Repeat for the next batch
By the time physicality is no longer an advantage and tactics/philosophies get complicated, the gap widens between us and elsewhere.
One or two diamonds will always make it out of the coal-mine
The lack of soccer culture really is a huge issue. many kids don't watch professional soccer to see how it's supposed to be done, or the level of creativity brought to the game by elite players. The lack field awareness and game IQ because they've not seen it done or have no one to emulate. I'd compare it to a chef who specializes in French cuisine and cooks straight from a cookbook but has never lived in or immersed himself in the culture to taste/grow up with the food. Sure, you can follow the recipe and the steps but there'd be a level of authenticity missing. That's US soccer. It's textbook, boring and lacks panache.
I've heard Tom Byer, an American who has been working for decades in Japan to promote and develop soccer there, talk about his philosophy of "soccer begins at home" and how Japan, a country without a soccer culture, has succeeded in developing technically proficient competitive players on both the men's and women's sides. His perspective is interesting, but the main takeaway is that kids need to develop technical skills from a young age outside of competitive situations. American soccer, which prioritizes speed and strength and focuses on competition and outcomes, devalues technical development and skill acquisition that should be prioritized in young players.
https://www.socceramerica.com/tom-byer-on-the-intriguing-comparisons-between-us/
I'm a big fan of Tom Beyer and own his book. And I don't disagree with anything that he's said about the importance of very young kids developing their soccer skills. What I find interesting is how this same dynamic is not so much at play with other sports -- you rarely (if ever) hear anyone focusing on very young kids developing technical skills in basketball, baseball, or American football. In those sports, kids seems to be able to get away with just being good athletes who pick up technical abilities in those other sports later in childhood.
This seems to indicate that highly developed soccer skills really are uniquely difficult -- after all, using your feet rather than your hands is not natural for humans -- and that soccer really is the Beautiful Game and the most popular sport in the world for a reason.
That's one way to say that you don't have kids playing those sports
I'm a DP, but I agree with the PP. That's not to say that kids build skills in those other sports from a young age. However, there are athletes who take up sports like basketball and football as teens and are able to compete at high levels. These athletes tend to have specific physical attributes that are advantageous in the sport. You rarely, if ever, hear of a late-to-soccer athlete who is able to excel.
I am sure it depends on where you live but I'm sure you'd have to be a heck of an athlete to walk on to our girls high school basketball team. They've all been playing travel ball for years. And you can just see why...the later-to-sport kids don't have the same fluidity in movement as those that have been playing. It just isn't in their muscle memory
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our population is almost 10x that of most European countries that are soccer powerhouses. So if they have 1 mega-star (Messi, Mbappe, Klose, Ronaldo, Bellingham, Haaland etc.) per 30M people, the law of averages would mean that we should have 10 mega-stars, i don't think our best player(s) crack the top 100 in the world right now.
So something is severely broken in the transition between youth and men's soccer in the US.
The problem starts at grass-youth soccer.
Coaches not knowledgeable or properly certified or doing ongoing education in youth development.
Parents not knowledgeable, don't really care, didn't come from soccer culture.
Kids don't know what they don't know.
Terms like 'elite' acceptedly misused and abused
Parents with money and corporate influence but dunce to high level soccer calling the shots
Clubs happily accepting mediocre as long as the right pockets get lined. Repeat for the next batch
By the time physicality is no longer an advantage and tactics/philosophies get complicated, the gap widens between us and elsewhere.
One or two diamonds will always make it out of the coal-mine
The lack of soccer culture really is a huge issue. many kids don't watch professional soccer to see how it's supposed to be done, or the level of creativity brought to the game by elite players. The lack field awareness and game IQ because they've not seen it done or have no one to emulate. I'd compare it to a chef who specializes in French cuisine and cooks straight from a cookbook but has never lived in or immersed himself in the culture to taste/grow up with the food. Sure, you can follow the recipe and the steps but there'd be a level of authenticity missing. That's US soccer. It's textbook, boring and lacks panache.
I've heard Tom Byer, an American who has been working for decades in Japan to promote and develop soccer there, talk about his philosophy of "soccer begins at home" and how Japan, a country without a soccer culture, has succeeded in developing technically proficient competitive players on both the men's and women's sides. His perspective is interesting, but the main takeaway is that kids need to develop technical skills from a young age outside of competitive situations. American soccer, which prioritizes speed and strength and focuses on competition and outcomes, devalues technical development and skill acquisition that should be prioritized in young players.
https://www.socceramerica.com/tom-byer-on-the-intriguing-comparisons-between-us/
I'm a big fan of Tom Beyer and own his book. And I don't disagree with anything that he's said about the importance of very young kids developing their soccer skills. What I find interesting is how this same dynamic is not so much at play with other sports -- you rarely (if ever) hear anyone focusing on very young kids developing technical skills in basketball, baseball, or American football. In those sports, kids seems to be able to get away with just being good athletes who pick up technical abilities in those other sports later in childhood.
This seems to indicate that highly developed soccer skills really are uniquely difficult -- after all, using your feet rather than your hands is not natural for humans -- and that soccer really is the Beautiful Game and the most popular sport in the world for a reason.
That's one way to say that you don't have kids playing those sports
I'm a DP, but I agree with the PP. That's not to say that kids build skills in those other sports from a young age. However, there are athletes who take up sports like basketball and football as teens and are able to compete at high levels. These athletes tend to have specific physical attributes that are advantageous in the sport. You rarely, if ever, hear of a late-to-soccer athlete who is able to excel.