Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
The comment was that it was obvious from OP's post that she is struggling. Not that it is obvious to people around her (it may or may not be, we have no idea).
Numerous people have posted in this thread about telling people around them that they were struggling postpartum and being ignored or placated. A lot of people also have the attitude "oh it's hormones, it's not real" and will tell women that postpartum. But PPD is partially hormonal; that does not make it imaginary. The hormonal roller coaster women wind up on when they are postpartum is extremely hard for some women to deal with and dismissing their experience as "just hormones" as though a woman should just be able to get over it because it's "just" a massive flood or drop in various hormonal levels causing massive and sometimes scary mood swings is just nuts.
If men experienced hormonal issues like this, it would be treated as a serious issue and treated appropriately. With women it's just "oh you know, women be crazy."
Agreed, but the villain here is the hormones and the answer is professional help, rather than the legitimization of irrational reactions by reframing perfectly normal comments as misogyny. Many women want to get comments like these, and as a PP pointed out, take offense if you don't make them. The fact that OP does not want these well-meaning compliments is not plastered on her forehead, and no one is out to get her by making them. The pseudo-feminist righteous indignation is a symptom that should be heard for what it is, rather than an excuse to excoriate people who clearly mean well.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
The comment was that it was obvious from OP's post that she is struggling. Not that it is obvious to people around her (it may or may not be, we have no idea).
Numerous people have posted in this thread about telling people around them that they were struggling postpartum and being ignored or placated. A lot of people also have the attitude "oh it's hormones, it's not real" and will tell women that postpartum. But PPD is partially hormonal; that does not make it imaginary. The hormonal roller coaster women wind up on when they are postpartum is extremely hard for some women to deal with and dismissing their experience as "just hormones" as though a woman should just be able to get over it because it's "just" a massive flood or drop in various hormonal levels causing massive and sometimes scary mood swings is just nuts.
If men experienced hormonal issues like this, it would be treated as a serious issue and treated appropriately. With women it's just "oh you know, women be crazy."
Agreed, but the villain here is the hormones and the answer is professional help, rather than the legitimization of irrational reactions by reframing perfectly normal comments as misogyny. Many women want to get comments like these, and as a PP pointed out, take offense if you don't make them. The fact that OP does not want these well-meaning compliments is not plastered on her forehead, and no one is out to get her by making them. The pseudo-feminist righteous indignation is a symptom that should be heard for what it is, rather than an excuse to excoriate people who clearly mean well.
No one who thinks like me gets offended if you don’t comment about their body.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
The comment was that it was obvious from OP's post that she is struggling. Not that it is obvious to people around her (it may or may not be, we have no idea).
Numerous people have posted in this thread about telling people around them that they were struggling postpartum and being ignored or placated. A lot of people also have the attitude "oh it's hormones, it's not real" and will tell women that postpartum. But PPD is partially hormonal; that does not make it imaginary. The hormonal roller coaster women wind up on when they are postpartum is extremely hard for some women to deal with and dismissing their experience as "just hormones" as though a woman should just be able to get over it because it's "just" a massive flood or drop in various hormonal levels causing massive and sometimes scary mood swings is just nuts.
If men experienced hormonal issues like this, it would be treated as a serious issue and treated appropriately. With women it's just "oh you know, women be crazy."
Agreed, but the villain here is the hormones and the answer is professional help, rather than the legitimization of irrational reactions by reframing perfectly normal comments as misogyny. Many women want to get comments like these, and as a PP pointed out, take offense if you don't make them. The fact that OP does not want these well-meaning compliments is not plastered on her forehead, and no one is out to get her by making them. The pseudo-feminist righteous indignation is a symptom that should be heard for what it is, rather than an excuse to excoriate people who clearly mean well.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
The comment was that it was obvious from OP's post that she is struggling. Not that it is obvious to people around her (it may or may not be, we have no idea).
Numerous people have posted in this thread about telling people around them that they were struggling postpartum and being ignored or placated. A lot of people also have the attitude "oh it's hormones, it's not real" and will tell women that postpartum. But PPD is partially hormonal; that does not make it imaginary. The hormonal roller coaster women wind up on when they are postpartum is extremely hard for some women to deal with and dismissing their experience as "just hormones" as though a woman should just be able to get over it because it's "just" a massive flood or drop in various hormonal levels causing massive and sometimes scary mood swings is just nuts.
If men experienced hormonal issues like this, it would be treated as a serious issue and treated appropriately. With women it's just "oh you know, women be crazy."
Agreed, but the villain here is the hormones and the answer is professional help, rather than the legitimization of irrational reactions by reframing perfectly normal comments as misogyny. Many women want to get comments like these, and as a PP pointed out, take offense if you don't make them. The fact that OP does not want these well-meaning compliments is not plastered on her forehead, and no one is out to get her by making them. The pseudo-feminist righteous indignation is a symptom that should be heard for what it is, rather than an excuse to excoriate people who clearly mean well.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's crazy people are defending this. If you are looking for things to say to a new mom, here are some things that have nothing to do with how much weight she has lost or how hot she looks:
1. How are you feeling? How is it going?
2. I'm so thrilled for you, I know you're going to make a great mom.
3. Would you like something to eat?
4. Do you need a break?
5. I'm so happy to see you.
+1
And if you're some random dad at the pool why don’t we add:
1. Hey can I get that bag/stroller/floaty for you?
2. Do you like the new chairs?
3. The new baby is so big/cute/happy/sleepy.
4. What are you drinking?
This isn’t some arcane mystery of the ages this is being a polite adult outdoors ffs.
Dp Yeah no. I'm not doing any of the above.
Anonymous wrote:Why is it that in today’s world, every comment on every topic has to be over analyzed to death?
What happened to simply saying thank you. People are probably just trying to say something they thought was kind. Not everyone wants to engage in a lengthy talk about how tired someone is. For those of us who have been there done that, we know you’re tired. Maybe they just wanted to make you feel good since you’re in the throes of newborn life.
Everyone is so uptight.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
The comment was that it was obvious from OP's post that she is struggling. Not that it is obvious to people around her (it may or may not be, we have no idea).
Numerous people have posted in this thread about telling people around them that they were struggling postpartum and being ignored or placated. A lot of people also have the attitude "oh it's hormones, it's not real" and will tell women that postpartum. But PPD is partially hormonal; that does not make it imaginary. The hormonal roller coaster women wind up on when they are postpartum is extremely hard for some women to deal with and dismissing their experience as "just hormones" as though a woman should just be able to get over it because it's "just" a massive flood or drop in various hormonal levels causing massive and sometimes scary mood swings is just nuts.
If men experienced hormonal issues like this, it would be treated as a serious issue and treated appropriately. With women it's just "oh you know, women be crazy."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
The comment was that it was obvious from OP's post that she is struggling. Not that it is obvious to people around her (it may or may not be, we have no idea).
Numerous people have posted in this thread about telling people around them that they were struggling postpartum and being ignored or placated. A lot of people also have the attitude "oh it's hormones, it's not real" and will tell women that postpartum. But PPD is partially hormonal; that does not make it imaginary. The hormonal roller coaster women wind up on when they are postpartum is extremely hard for some women to deal with and dismissing their experience as "just hormones" as though a woman should just be able to get over it because it's "just" a massive flood or drop in various hormonal levels causing massive and sometimes scary mood swings is just nuts.
If men experienced hormonal issues like this, it would be treated as a serious issue and treated appropriately. With women it's just "oh you know, women be crazy."
Anonymous wrote:I loved hearing this when I was freshly postpartum. So I guess everyone is different
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Why is it "obvious" to the people surrounding OP that she is struggling? Why do some many women feel the need to pretend they are superwoman and not seek out the help they need?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Well then if I said "you look great" and the person came back and said "I'm struggling with X, Y and Z" I would say " how can I help?" But, to assume that every comment is meant to sting is wrong. We are all human and going to get things wrong. Why can't we have some grace? This is the reason I don't engage because i don't want to make the wrong move.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I can't stand people like you, OP, not being able to handle kindness and compliments. Your post sounds like a humble-brag disguised as a feminist rant.
The point is that it's not kindness. It is not kind to tell someone how great they look even when they are telling you that they don't feel right.
And also sometimes there's an expectation that goes long with "you look amazing." A lot of people expect new mothers to be happy and are angry when they are not -- there is still a pervasive cultural belief that a woman with a baby has achieved the apex of female life achievement, and therefore she better be happy. Despite greater awareness around PPD and maternal mental health issues. Sometimes people still get mad at postpartum women for not being content. "You look amazing" can also come with this pressure to be happy and have no complaints.
OP, you are setting impossible expectations for ordinary human interaction. If you think you are surrounded by misogynistic villains every time someone looks for something positive to say, you have a problem. Get off DCUM, take a breath, and go see a doctor. You're only hurting yourself.
OR we could encourage more people to think about a postpartum mom as someone in a vulnerable position who needs better support than just being told she looks great. OP is obviously struggling emotionally and the people around her are just focusing on her appearance. OP's complaint is that she needs the people around her to look past appearance to something deeper. That's not an unreasonable request, actually. She's asking for what she needs and you're telling her that her needs are unreasonable.
Anonymous wrote:I just would love for people not to comment on other people’s bodies, positively or negatively, unless they are a medical professional and the comments are related to a health concern. I understand this person was trying to be nice but find something else to say. I too have a similar story of intense PPA meaning that was back to my pre-pregnancy weight at my scar check appointment two weeks post partum. I honestly will never understand why that wasn’t a red flag.