Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like most of the PP have sour grapes.

Some of your questions can be answered by looking at the standings at the ecnl website.
Boys (11 teams):
U13 - 7th
U14 - 8th
U15 - 8th
U16 - 1st
U17 - 2nd
U19 - 3rd

Girls (10 teams):
U13 - 5th
U14 - 4th
U15 - 2nd
U16 - 1st
U17 - 3rd
U19 - 9th

So some years are great, some bad, and many in between.

Top few players on the ECNL-RL can practice with the VDA team about once a week. Occasionally get called up every once in a while to play with VDA during games, but usually won't get many minutes. Some kids have moved from the ECNL-RL team to permanently on the VDA team.

They have a fairly large pool. Have 3 teams per age group per gender U13 and up. Most come from Western PW county, but also some from points west.

Winning and playing good ball are two very different things. We can thank the US for that. I really hope IFAB makes some changes to stop this garbage.

That's a top to bottom adjustment that's going to need to happen. What you speak of has happened at the highest level and continues to occur at the youth level.

Just stopping by to say the VSA 2015g teams’ parents were very considerate so there are some examples there of good behavior. The Prince William parents though were absolute trash… I’ll generalize them all day long.

Anonymous wrote:After watching their parents behavior at Cannon Cup this makes more sense. Never have I seen a group of “adults” openly and frequently swearing at and criticizing kids (on both teams) refs and coaches … At a u9 game.

Didn’t have a dog in the fight - stopped just to watch the championship before we left and was appalled. Thankfully loudoun beat them, I cannot imagine what might have happened if they won.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VSA just kinda gets the physical leftover honkies who’s parents are big basketball, hockey, and American football fans.

Well said. This thread should just be closed with the above post being all that shows when you click on the title.

We were at Cannon Cup and saw this as well. The VSA parents were the exact reason most tournaments ban alcohol on the premises during and between games. Standing directly behind a 9 or 10 year old goalie and drinking your (4th or 5th) beer while hurling obscenity after obscenity at him and the other team was pretty disgusting behavior. Not a fan of most Loudoun parents, but they actually kept their cool in a situation that most may not have.

Hopefully the refs moved their fans back to a sideline after we left, but the setup at Long Park isn’t overly conducive to that either, especially during tournaments.

Regardless, it seemed like the VSA parents took something that should have been fun for their kids and instead ended up likely only embarrassing their kids through their own alcohol fueled behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like most of the PP have sour grapes.

Some of your questions can be answered by looking at the standings at the ecnl website.
Boys (11 teams):
U13 - 7th
U14 - 8th
U15 - 8th
U16 - 1st
U17 - 2nd
U19 - 3rd

Girls (10 teams):
U13 - 5th
U14 - 4th
U15 - 2nd
U16 - 1st
U17 - 3rd
U19 - 9th

So some years are great, some bad, and many in between.

Top few players on the ECNL-RL can practice with the VDA team about once a week. Occasionally get called up every once in a while to play with VDA during games, but usually won't get many minutes. Some kids have moved from the ECNL-RL team to permanently on the VDA team.

They have a fairly large pool. Have 3 teams per age group per gender U13 and up. Most come from Western PW county, but also some from points west.

Winning and playing good ball are two very different things. We can thank the US for that. I really hope IFAB makes some changes to stop this garbage.

Anonymous wrote:VSA just kinda gets the physical leftover honkies who’s parents are big basketball, hockey, and American football fans.

Thanks George Jefferson - go back to the dry cleaners.

Anonymous wrote:Style of play? Kickball. Direct as possible. Back line and midfield? Clear it forward as fast as possible.

Methodology? Find big, fast players that can kick it far.

Go watch a high school game with the local players - Gainesville, Battlefield, etc - it's total kickball from the defense and slow passing or flat passes from attacking positions.

We joined the 09B team and are leaving after 1 year. The team sucks and the culture there is garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Style of play? Kickball. Direct as possible. Back line and midfield? Clear it forward as fast as possible.

Methodology? Find big, fast players that can kick it far.

Genuinely curious, why is this preferred and so common among US coaches? It’s ugly as hell and kids don’t really develop.

because in US we have our best prospects (for at least boys) playing sports like football basketball and baseball. those sports are getting the picks of the litter in terms of performance potential.

Ideally you want both technical and the physical.. but what you get are either small and slower technical kids or bigger faster kids. On 11v11 pitch the bigger faster kids are just going win the battles. Ie US soccer in a nutshell.

So, hypothetically a young Luca Modric would not have made it on a a U11 big club top team in today’s DMV landscape? Hell even a young Pulisic. If that’s the case then what does that say about the product that consumers are forking over thousands of dollars for.

You’re absolutely clueless. Go out and watch the best teams in these age groups. There are great players. Some of them big. Some of them small.

I don’t know about club, I think that is starting to change, but based on what I’ve seen with high school soccer, yes I think a young Luka modric would have been quite likely relegated to the bench.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real. The ONLY reason VSA does it is to protect their prized fields (which are very nice). It has nothing to do with the role parents or fans are actually playing on the sideline.

Not sure how sitting on a sideline to watch your 8-11 year old kid play on a small sided field is at all related to letting coaches coach. Most coaches I know and work with want the parents there to support their kids at that age and will address those who may be “overly involved” in their own way.

There is a reason 95% of local clubs allow “fans” on the opposite sideline to support their kids.

So thank you for your opinion but I’ll stand by mine my that VSA and PW not allowing families on the sideline for small fielded games is in fact ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fields are nice. The fact that they make parents/families stand around the perimeter fence is ridiculous. (Same with Ali Krieger)

Anonymous wrote:At least James Long Park turf fields are beautiful. Their methodology, system, style of play, is all over the place. It’s weird because a lot of their coaches are USSF license C, B, and A.

Families and parents should not be on the field. They absolutely should be outside the fence at the least. If not, leave and come back. Let the coaches coach.

You just being a distraction, which is why coaches HATE people like you. Truly, they do. They talk about you behind your back to other coaches and your kid can be kept back from making teams because many coaches do not want to deal with helicopter parents. I know more than one coach who will openly state this to parents before tryouts in the younger age groups and they will 100% refuse to take on a player because of their parent's behavior no matter how good the kid is.

That is such BS - you know full well there is a sliding scale of behavior allowed based on how skilled the kid is. I'm sure the coach makes an example out of the last kid on the bench hoping everyone else falls in line, but just look at a typical youth soccer match and the coach you mention must either be a unicorn or part of a very weak team.

Nope. But keep thinking your behavior isn't directly effecting your kid if you'd like. Coaches hate parents like you. They complain about parents like you amongst each other, trust me. I've heard it personally at social events. Sorry to burst your bubble. Coaches don't want to deal with headache annoying parents unless your kid is Messi jr... Which 99.999% off our kids are not.

Anonymous wrote:So, stay away from bringing your kid to this club if you know anything about soccer and don’t wanna deal with parents screaming “cmon ref.” Did I get that?

This is every soccer club in northern virginia.

So, stay away from bringing your kid to this club if you know anything about soccer and don’t wanna deal with parents screaming “cmon ref.” Did I get that?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real. The ONLY reason VSA does it is to protect their prized fields (which are very nice). It has nothing to do with the role parents or fans are actually playing on the sideline.

Not sure how sitting on a sideline to watch your 8-11 year old kid play on a small sided field is at all related to letting coaches coach. Most coaches I know and work with want the parents there to support their kids at that age and will address those who may be “overly involved” in their own way.

There is a reason 95% of local clubs allow “fans” on the opposite sideline to support their kids.

So thank you for your opinion but I’ll stand by mine my that VSA and PW not allowing families on the sideline for small fielded games is in fact ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fields are nice. The fact that they make parents/families stand around the perimeter fence is ridiculous. (Same with Ali Krieger)

Anonymous wrote:At least James Long Park turf fields are beautiful. Their methodology, system, style of play, is all over the place. It’s weird because a lot of their coaches are USSF license C, B, and A.

Families and parents should not be on the field. They absolutely should be outside the fence at the least. If not, leave and come back. Let the coaches coach.

You just being a distraction, which is why coaches HATE people like you. Truly, they do. They talk about you behind your back to other coaches and your kid can be kept back from making teams because many coaches do not want to deal with helicopter parents. I know more than one coach who will openly state this to parents before tryouts in the younger age groups and they will 100% refuse to take on a player because of their parent's behavior no matter how good the kid is.

That is such BS - you know full well there is a sliding scale of behavior allowed based on how skilled the kid is. I'm sure the coach makes an example out of the last kid on the bench hoping everyone else falls in line, but just look at a typical youth soccer match and the coach you mention must either be a unicorn or part of a very weak team.

From VSA parents? Nooo way!
I’m shocked!
/sarcasm

Anonymous wrote:After watching their parents behavior at Cannon Cup this makes more sense. Never have I seen a group of “adults” openly and frequently swearing at and criticizing kids (on both teams) refs and coaches … At a u9 game.

Didn’t have a dog in the fight - stopped just to watch the championship before we left and was appalled. Thankfully loudoun beat them, I cannot imagine what might have happened if they won.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VSA just kinda gets the physical leftover honkies who’s parents are big basketball, hockey, and American football fans.

Well said. This thread should just be closed with the above post being all that shows when you click on the title.

After watching their parents behavior at Cannon Cup this makes more sense. Never have I seen a group of “adults” openly and frequently swearing at and criticizing kids (on both teams) refs and coaches … At a u9 game.

Didn’t have a dog in the fight - stopped just to watch the championship before we left and was appalled. Thankfully loudoun beat them, I cannot imagine what might have happened if they won.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VSA just kinda gets the physical leftover honkies who’s parents are big basketball, hockey, and American football fans.

Well said. This thread should just be closed with the above post being all that shows when you click on the title.

Anonymous wrote:VSA just kinda gets the physical leftover honkies who’s parents are big basketball, hockey, and American football fans.

Well said. This thread should just be closed with the above post being all that shows when you click on the title.