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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

It looks like you can only get a certain #of ride passes per day with the DAS. If you can use Genie + to get on other rides quickly, why wouldn’t you? I don’t see how it’s double dipping.
(I have neurotypical kids and no dog in this fight. But I’m not following your logic)

You can only use Genie + so many times in a day. Clearly the program is being abused which is why it's being modified. If you want to get to the head of the line of every ride, pay for the VIP service.

Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

It looks like you can only get a certain #of ride passes per day with the DAS. If you can use Genie + to get on other rides quickly, why wouldn’t you? I don’t see how it’s double dipping.
(I have neurotypical kids and no dog in this fight. But I’m not following your logic)

Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

I think that's why Disney is changing the DAS policies. I recall reading somewhere that their tracking showed that over half of the people in the Lightning Lanes were DAS parties. While there are people who fake conditions, it is fair to say that Disney's old policy was generous beyond what is legally required. As more people head to the parks and more people are diagnosed with medical conditions that can impact their ability to stand in lines (POTS, anxiety, etc.), the volume of those using DAS has grown to be unmanageable. However, if this is the case, what does that mean for regular lines? Are they going to move more quickly if there are fewer people in the Lightning Lanes? Aren't those people who used to use DAS going to go somewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t you have to wait in the LL anyway with DAS? How is it different from Genie+ once you get the slot booked on Genie?

Genie+ sells out (sometimes you can only book like 3 attractions per day). Also, with Genie+ the times available to book could be hours away. When we went recently, some of the rides we wanted had time slots at like 6-7 pm when we knew we’d be done with the park.

Not to mention Genie+ is expensive. I imagine Disney doesn’t want to get in trouble for charging $ to accommodate people with disabilities.

That is what equality is about. It costs X and is available to everyone to buy.

Why is this a matter of equality? As the PP noted, Genie + and DAS are not the same. My daughter had DAS for a recent trip, and for several days of our trip, we also purchased Genie + to minimize waiting even more. As the PP said, your ability to schedule Genie + is limited, and in many cases, the rides sell out for the day early in the day. The great thing about DAS for those with physical disabilities is that it minimizes the need to constantly be crisscrossing parks because you can get a DAS return time that aligns with where you currently are, allowing you to rest in between. Is that type of accommodation strictly required under the ADA? Probably not, but it made my daughter's time in the parks more manageable (and even with it, she can't stay in the parks from open to close).

Personally, I think it would be reasonable to limit DAS user to one time on each ride especially on major attractions, per day.

stacking Genie and DAS is dishonest. Either you need the accomodations or you don’t.

How so?

Because you’re doing all the things using Genie+ you claim you cannot do with DAS (walking across the park, etc.)

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t you have to wait in the LL anyway with DAS? How is it different from Genie+ once you get the slot booked on Genie?

Genie+ sells out (sometimes you can only book like 3 attractions per day). Also, with Genie+ the times available to book could be hours away. When we went recently, some of the rides we wanted had time slots at like 6-7 pm when we knew we’d be done with the park.

Not to mention Genie+ is expensive. I imagine Disney doesn’t want to get in trouble for charging $ to accommodate people with disabilities.

That is what equality is about. It costs X and is available to everyone to buy.

Why is this a matter of equality? As the PP noted, Genie + and DAS are not the same. My daughter had DAS for a recent trip, and for several days of our trip, we also purchased Genie + to minimize waiting even more. As the PP said, your ability to schedule Genie + is limited, and in many cases, the rides sell out for the day early in the day. The great thing about DAS for those with physical disabilities is that it minimizes the need to constantly be crisscrossing parks because you can get a DAS return time that aligns with where you currently are, allowing you to rest in between. Is that type of accommodation strictly required under the ADA? Probably not, but it made my daughter's time in the parks more manageable (and even with it, she can't stay in the parks from open to close).

Personally, I think it would be reasonable to limit DAS user to one time on each ride especially on major attractions, per day.

stacking Genie and DAS is dishonest. Either you need the accomodations or you don’t.

How so?

Because you’re doing all the things using Genie+ you claim you cannot do with DAS (walking across the park, etc.)

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t you have to wait in the LL anyway with DAS? How is it different from Genie+ once you get the slot booked on Genie?

Genie+ sells out (sometimes you can only book like 3 attractions per day). Also, with Genie+ the times available to book could be hours away. When we went recently, some of the rides we wanted had time slots at like 6-7 pm when we knew we’d be done with the park.

Not to mention Genie+ is expensive. I imagine Disney doesn’t want to get in trouble for charging $ to accommodate people with disabilities.

That is what equality is about. It costs X and is available to everyone to buy.

Why is this a matter of equality? As the PP noted, Genie + and DAS are not the same. My daughter had DAS for a recent trip, and for several days of our trip, we also purchased Genie + to minimize waiting even more. As the PP said, your ability to schedule Genie + is limited, and in many cases, the rides sell out for the day early in the day. The great thing about DAS for those with physical disabilities is that it minimizes the need to constantly be crisscrossing parks because you can get a DAS return time that aligns with where you currently are, allowing you to rest in between. Is that type of accommodation strictly required under the ADA? Probably not, but it made my daughter's time in the parks more manageable (and even with it, she can't stay in the parks from open to close).

Personally, I think it would be reasonable to limit DAS user to one time on each ride especially on major attractions, per day.

stacking Genie and DAS is dishonest. Either you need the accomodations or you don’t.

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:It's completely abused. And here's the thing- most toddlers without disabilities also can't wait in 45-60 minute lines. My 5 year old loses his mind too. I think there would be less demand for DAS passes if we were allowed to keep our kids in strollers while in line. They made the lines wheelchair accessible, so I don't see why strollers can't come (single wide at least). It's gotten to the point that families with small children don't want to go to Disney. Anything over 15 minutes is too long to make a toddler stand and wait for. Their ride swap is a complete joke too. When you ride swap, the other adult has to still wait in the lightning lane line, which is another 20 min normally. Back when I was a kid, the adult doing ride swap got to immediately board. After all, their family just waited 90 minutes in line already.

Scamming the DAS system was the only way toddler and preschool families were making it work.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t you have to wait in the LL anyway with DAS? How is it different from Genie+ once you get the slot booked on Genie?

Genie+ sells out (sometimes you can only book like 3 attractions per day). Also, with Genie+ the times available to book could be hours away. When we went recently, some of the rides we wanted had time slots at like 6-7 pm when we knew we’d be done with the park.

Not to mention Genie+ is expensive. I imagine Disney doesn’t want to get in trouble for charging $ to accommodate people with disabilities.

That is what equality is about. It costs X and is available to everyone to buy.

Why is this a matter of equality? As the PP noted, Genie + and DAS are not the same. My daughter had DAS for a recent trip, and for several days of our trip, we also purchased Genie + to minimize waiting even more. As the PP said, your ability to schedule Genie + is limited, and in many cases, the rides sell out for the day early in the day. The great thing about DAS for those with physical disabilities is that it minimizes the need to constantly be crisscrossing parks because you can get a DAS return time that aligns with where you currently are, allowing you to rest in between. Is that type of accommodation strictly required under the ADA? Probably not, but it made my daughter's time in the parks more manageable (and even with it, she can't stay in the parks from open to close).

Personally, I think it would be reasonable to limit DAS user to one time on each ride especially on major attractions, per day.

stacking Genie and DAS is dishonest. Either you need the accomodations or you don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t you have to wait in the LL anyway with DAS? How is it different from Genie+ once you get the slot booked on Genie?

Genie+ sells out (sometimes you can only book like 3 attractions per day). Also, with Genie+ the times available to book could be hours away. When we went recently, some of the rides we wanted had time slots at like 6-7 pm when we knew we’d be done with the park.

Not to mention Genie+ is expensive. I imagine Disney doesn’t want to get in trouble for charging $ to accommodate people with disabilities.

That is what equality is about. It costs X and is available to everyone to buy.

Why is this a matter of equality? As the PP noted, Genie + and DAS are not the same. My daughter had DAS for a recent trip, and for several days of our trip, we also purchased Genie + to minimize waiting even more. As the PP said, your ability to schedule Genie + is limited, and in many cases, the rides sell out for the day early in the day. The great thing about DAS for those with physical disabilities is that it minimizes the need to constantly be crisscrossing parks because you can get a DAS return time that aligns with where you currently are, allowing you to rest in between. Is that type of accommodation strictly required under the ADA? Probably not, but it made my daughter's time in the parks more manageable (and even with it, she can't stay in the parks from open to close).

Personally, I think it would be reasonable to limit DAS user to one time on each ride especially on major attractions, per day.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

It was the same with Fast Passes before LL.

Even if that is true, everyone had a chance to have Fastpasse at no cost.

You just need to adjust your view. Disney basically increased its prices. There is now a base price to get in, walk around, eat and watch parades. There's an additional price to ride the rides without an intolerable wait. If you want to ride rides, then you have to pay the price increase.