Anonymous
05/15/2024 12:44
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Look at the age 15-18 rankings for most of the events, easily accessed on swimmingrank - this always helps us understand where the top training groups may be. I would argue that there are many, many top training groups in the 12U age groups, but the nationally-ranked swimmers congregate only in a few clubs once they get to 15+.
Mens:
NCAP-Burke close-to QT, Olympic Trials: 100 Back - JT Schmid - best time, 55.89; QT, trials, 55.69
NCAP-West, close-to QT, Trials: 200 Breast - Lleyton Arnold - best time, 2:15.76; QT, 2:15.99
NCAP-Burke, not as close to QT, Olympic Trials: 100 Free - Josh Howat - best time, 50.50; QT, 49.99
NCAP-West, not as close to QT, Olympic Trials:
100 Breast - Lleyton Arnold - best time, 1:03.20; QT 1:02.19
Nobody is close in: 200 Free, 400 Free, 800 Free, 1500 Free, 100 Fly, 200 Fly
From PVS: 2 swimmers have qualified for 200 IM (Arioti, RMSC; Bermudez, NCAP-Burke, who PVS lists as qualifying for US Trials); 1 swimmer has qualified in 400 IM (Mackesy, RMSC)
Mens:
NCAP-Burke close-to QT, Olympic Trials: 100 Back - JT Schmid - best time, 55.89; QT, trials, 55.69
NCAP-West, close-to QT, Trials: 200 Breast - Lleyton Arnold - best time, 2:15.76; QT, 2:15.99
NCAP-Burke, not as close to QT, Olympic Trials: 100 Free - Josh Howat - best time, 50.50; QT, 49.99
NCAP-West, not as close to QT, Olympic Trials:
100 Breast - Lleyton Arnold - best time, 1:03.20; QT 1:02.19
Nobody is close in: 200 Free, 400 Free, 800 Free, 1500 Free, 100 Fly, 200 Fly
From PVS: 2 swimmers have qualified for 200 IM (Arioti, RMSC; Bermudez, NCAP-Burke, who PVS lists as qualifying for US Trials); 1 swimmer has qualified in 400 IM (Mackesy, RMSC)
Anonymous
05/15/2024 11:26
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
West is exceptionally stronger on the Women’s side, though. NCSAs:
Women’s 100 Free - 16th, Witdoeckt (West)
Women’s 200 Back - 7th, Frick (West); 10th, Sagle (West); 18th, Cigna (West)
I don’t have to go on, because it seems clear that NCAP-West is the strongest club for the Women right now, but NCAP-Burke is the strongest club for the Men right now.
And NOVA in Richmond is giving everyone a run for their money.
All true. And the only Olympic trials qualifiers this year for all of NCap are from West. And only two or three. How the mighty have fallen
Josh Howat and Simon Bermudez from NCAP-Burke also qualified
Simon Bermudez isn’t American. He swims internationally for Colombia.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 11:24
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
Look at the relays
Anonymous
05/15/2024 08:58
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.
Places like NCAP just need you to pay for the pool. They only really care about a few top, elite swimmers because it will help them get more private lessons. They really don’t care about you. Just leave.
I can only speak for NCAP-Burke Age Group coaches, but this could not be more WRONG. My son’s coach has even attended some of the girls’ theatrical and dance performances. She cares deeply for our kids, as do the other age group coaches. She is a fixture at A and B meets in the NVSL and CSL all summer, supporting the kids she coaches.
Ok.. That is one coach from 13 sites for NCAP. Glad you found one coach that cares.
And there are many other NCAP clubs in MD where they really don’t care. They just want your money.
So what if they make D1???? Most are not going to even the Olympic trials. They graduate and get jobs like the rest of us. No one knows who they were. Calm down people. It’s HS sports. Most will amount to nothing.
It’s kind of ironic that you’re the one telling people to calm down when you’re the one on the rant.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 07:30
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.
Places like NCAP just need you to pay for the pool. They only really care about a few top, elite swimmers because it will help them get more private lessons. They really don’t care about you. Just leave.
This pretty much applies to all clubs. They are all first and foremost a business.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 07:06
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.
Places like NCAP just need you to pay for the pool. They only really care about a few top, elite swimmers because it will help them get more private lessons. They really don’t care about you. Just leave.
I can only speak for NCAP-Burke Age Group coaches, but this could not be more WRONG. My son’s coach has even attended some of the girls’ theatrical and dance performances. She cares deeply for our kids, as do the other age group coaches. She is a fixture at A and B meets in the NVSL and CSL all summer, supporting the kids she coaches.
Ok.. That is one coach from 13 sites for NCAP. Glad you found one coach that cares.
And there are many other NCAP clubs in MD where they really don’t care. They just want your money.
So what if they make D1???? Most are not going to even the Olympic trials. They graduate and get jobs like the rest of us. No one knows who they were. Calm down people. It’s HS sports. Most will amount to nothing.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 05:54
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.
Places like NCAP just need you to pay for the pool. They only really care about a few top, elite swimmers because it will help them get more private lessons. They really don’t care about you. Just leave.
I can only speak for NCAP-Burke Age Group coaches, but this could not be more WRONG. My son’s coach has even attended some of the girls’ theatrical and dance performances. She cares deeply for our kids, as do the other age group coaches. She is a fixture at A and B meets in the NVSL and CSL all summer, supporting the kids she coaches.
Ok.. That is one coach from 13 sites for NCAP. Glad you found one coach that cares.
Anonymous
05/14/2024 20:02
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.
Places like NCAP just need you to pay for the pool. They only really care about a few top, elite swimmers because it will help them get more private lessons. They really don’t care about you. Just leave.
I can only speak for NCAP-Burke Age Group coaches, but this could not be more WRONG. My son’s coach has even attended some of the girls’ theatrical and dance performances. She cares deeply for our kids, as do the other age group coaches. She is a fixture at A and B meets in the NVSL and CSL all summer, supporting the kids she coaches.
Anonymous
05/14/2024 19:29
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
West is exceptionally stronger on the Women’s side, though. NCSAs:
Women’s 100 Free - 16th, Witdoeckt (West)
Women’s 200 Back - 7th, Frick (West); 10th, Sagle (West); 18th, Cigna (West)
I don’t have to go on, because it seems clear that NCAP-West is the strongest club for the Women right now, but NCAP-Burke is the strongest club for the Men right now.
And NOVA in Richmond is giving everyone a run for their money.
All true. And the only Olympic trials qualifiers this year for all of NCap are from West. And only two or three. How the mighty have fallen
The PVS website has a list of the PVS athletes qualified for Olympic trials. There are 16 total swimmers on that list and 8 of them are NCAP.
Anonymous
05/14/2024 19:19
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.
Places like NCAP just need you to pay for the pool. They only really care about a few top, elite swimmers because it will help them get more private lessons. They really don’t care about you. Just leave.
Anonymous
05/14/2024 19:13
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
West is exceptionally stronger on the Women’s side, though. NCSAs:
Women’s 100 Free - 16th, Witdoeckt (West)
Women’s 200 Back - 7th, Frick (West); 10th, Sagle (West); 18th, Cigna (West)
I don’t have to go on, because it seems clear that NCAP-West is the strongest club for the Women right now, but NCAP-Burke is the strongest club for the Men right now.
And NOVA in Richmond is giving everyone a run for their money.
All true. And the only Olympic trials qualifiers this year for all of NCap are from West. And only two or three. How the mighty have fallen
Josh Howat and Simon Bermudez from NCAP-Burke also qualified
Anonymous
05/14/2024 17:34
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
West is exceptionally stronger on the Women’s side, though. NCSAs:
Women’s 100 Free - 16th, Witdoeckt (West)
Women’s 200 Back - 7th, Frick (West); 10th, Sagle (West); 18th, Cigna (West)
I don’t have to go on, because it seems clear that NCAP-West is the strongest club for the Women right now, but NCAP-Burke is the strongest club for the Men right now.
And NOVA in Richmond is giving everyone a run for their money.
All true. And the only Olympic trials qualifiers this year for all of NCap are from West. And only two or three. How the mighty have fallen
Anonymous
05/14/2024 13:01
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
West is exceptionally stronger on the Women’s side, though. NCSAs:
Women’s 100 Free - 16th, Witdoeckt (West)
Women’s 200 Back - 7th, Frick (West); 10th, Sagle (West); 18th, Cigna (West)
I don’t have to go on, because it seems clear that NCAP-West is the strongest club for the Women right now, but NCAP-Burke is the strongest club for the Men right now.
And NOVA in Richmond is giving everyone a run for their money.
Anonymous
05/14/2024 12:54
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re: NCap the only really elite site left is coached by Jeremy Linn (NCap West). The rest have a handful of good but not overwhelmingly great swimmers
I think he meant the Burke Site under coach Morgan.
Someone mentioned the NCAP site that “cleaned up” at NCSAs. Quick glance and this is what I see from the finals on MeetMobile:
Men’s 100 Free - 5th, Howat (NCAP-Burke); 11th, Vanas (Prep); 12th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 50 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 100 Breast - 6th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 100 Back - 3rd, Schmid (Burke); 8th, Bermudez (Burke)
Men’s 200 Fly - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 50 Breast - 13th, Arnold (West)
Men’s 200 Free - 16th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 400 Free - 24th, Tishler (West)
Men’s 100 Fly - 4th, Graham (Burke)
Men’s 200 Breast - 2nd, Arnold (West); 9th, Bermudez (Burke); 13th, Robinson (AU); 17th, Greenwood (Tyson’s)
Men’s 50 Back - 4th, Schmid (Burke); 11th, Graham (Burke); 22nd, Bacon (AU); 26th, Fulham (Burke)
Men’s 200 IM - 5th, Schmid (Burke); 6th, Bermudez (Burke); 21st, Greenwood (Tyson’s); 33rd, Zhou (Burke)
Men’s 50 Free - 3rd, Howat (Burke); 13th, Graham (Burke); 19th, Vanas (West); 28th, Tragle (Claude-Moore)
Men’s 1500 - 11th, Rohr (Claude-Moore)
Anonymous
05/14/2024 07:34
Subject: Switching teams etiquette
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would send a note thanking them for past years and letting them know not coming back, especially if you'll see them. I probably would make my kid write a note, too.
No one cares. Just move on. They just want you money. Skip the note.
^ this- some coaches will get it, others will not.