Anonymous
08/10/2024 21:58
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Michigan, more times than not, seems to be the exception to the “don’t do it” commentary I constantly read here on DCUM.
As it should be. Michigan is one of the great research universities of the world. Everything it does, it does well.
By contrast here, UVA puts together a small program, sticks it in the school of education, and has no pathway to its own grad programs. Looks like UVA just wanted something to offer to athletic recruits.
+1
Anonymous
08/09/2024 13:51
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Michigan, more times than not, seems to be the exception to the “don’t do it” commentary I constantly read here on DCUM.
As it should be. Michigan is one of the great research universities of the world. Everything it does, it does well.
By contrast here, UVA puts together a small program, sticks it in the school of education, and has no pathway to its own grad programs. Looks like UVA just wanted something to offer to athletic recruits.
Anonymous
08/09/2024 13:14
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone know anything about this direct-admit program in the school of education?
Admissions stats? Harder or easier to get in than the arts and sciences school there?
Does it matter if male vs female?
The students who get in from the DC-area private school we attend are much "lower" as far as SAT and course quality/math path: it is a lot easier, as is nursing. APCalculus is not needed, they usually take regular calc or end in AP stats after regular precal, and they do not expect all the hard AP in core courses and all that, compared to what is needed from the A&S or Engineering admits. For example A&S and Engineering unhooked usually needs 1430+ as well as top 25% or so GPA with AP english, APUSH at least one of AP Bio or Chem or PhysC, whereas the kinesiology admits come from the middle of the pack and their science track usually has them do one year each of Bio Chem physics then APES as their AP, or some do Anatomy and physiology, and SATs are 1350-1400 or so . Nursing students are admitted from even lower in the class, 1200-1300 is the typical SAT, and they usually take anatomy and physiology and bio and chem and take precalculus or AP stats, so they are from the lowest math track in the high schools. We have a friend at Penn Nursing and they too have a lower standard/lower expectations compared to the main 3 schools of UPenn, but because they only take 100-150 students per year the admit rate is still very low, and they focus on work experience and an application that shows true compassion for other humans. The friend got in with a 1410 SAT and they are average to smart in their opinion, compared to the other 100 or so students. Nursing does not take the same intro chem and bio and all that that would be taken by A&S, Engineering and Wharton(yes there are premeds in Wharton!). Anyway they chose Upenn, but got into UVA nursing which the high school told them was a mathc but that if they did UVA A&S would be a reach. Kinesiology is structured differently but it is likewise separate from UVA A&S, as far as courses, andthe course difficulty is not the same. There is a reason Echols and Rodman Scholars program is for A&S, Engineering and there is not a similar academic scholars program for Kinesiology and Nursing, they just are not the same level of academic rigor
Hmm. Not true at all based on our child's experience. We have known folks rejected from UVA nursing with crazy high academic credentials, at least for in state. There are only 50 slots for in state available, and there is a very high in state yield rate for School of Nursing. If you want nursing, it is considered the best program in Virginia at in state rates. It may have been true in the past, but not now.
Anonymous
08/09/2024 10:50
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Michigan, more times than not, seems to be the exception to the “don’t do it” commentary I constantly read here on DCUM.
Anonymous
08/06/2024 23:41
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Kinesiology is the hardest acceptance at UVA and then Nursing.
lowest rate does not mean hardest: the pool of students is vastly different than the main schools
I literally watched the Dean announce this on her LIVE.
Anonymous
08/04/2024 13:22
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:I do think that kinesiology program at Michigan stands out. There are different pathways in the program and one of them specifically says it prepares students for PT school or med school.
This is some thing I’m paying attention to because my kid doesn’t know which direction they want to go. Of course, they are interested in the kinesiology programs but I am very worried that it will limit their options down the road. Frankly, I wish schools didn’t have kinesiology as an undergrad since a DPT program is required for physical therapy. I don’t want my kid stuck in the school of education and realize that they need to do additional years because they want to go to med school. I want them to have options and I feel like staying at arts and sciences at whatever school, with the exception of Michigan, is the safest way to do that. I don’t know how hard it is to transfer between colleges once admitted. Is this something that we need to reach out to each individual school to ask about?
Start in arts and sciences. I have friends in DPT and they all did bio or chem majors undergrad. Kinesiology as a major is too limiting. Uva says “careers in medicine” from kinesiology, they mean midlevels: PA, NP, etc. you can go to med school but it is a much easier path from A&S because all the med schools know kinesiology is easier. It is a BS in Education not a real science Bachelors
Anonymous
08/04/2024 13:12
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would the naysayers respond differently if this was about Kinesiology at Michigan?
My comment was about the major (considered a lightweight science, for people going into sports/phys ed type fields--more applied/less intellectual).
The school does not help the field, though I guess getting a weak degree from a strong school would give you an advantage in the eyes of someone trying to hire an applicant with that major.
A DPT is not an easy degree to obtain. I don’t know why you keep implying that it’s for people who are not smart.
Anonymous
08/04/2024 13:11
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
I do think that kinesiology program at Michigan stands out. There are different pathways in the program and one of them specifically says it prepares students for PT school or med school.
This is some thing I’m paying attention to because my kid doesn’t know which direction they want to go. Of course, they are interested in the kinesiology programs but I am very worried that it will limit their options down the road. Frankly, I wish schools didn’t have kinesiology as an undergrad since a DPT program is required for physical therapy. I don’t want my kid stuck in the school of education and realize that they need to do additional years because they want to go to med school. I want them to have options and I feel like staying at arts and sciences at whatever school, with the exception of Michigan, is the safest way to do that. I don’t know how hard it is to transfer between colleges once admitted. Is this something that we need to reach out to each individual school to ask about?
This is some thing I’m paying attention to because my kid doesn’t know which direction they want to go. Of course, they are interested in the kinesiology programs but I am very worried that it will limit their options down the road. Frankly, I wish schools didn’t have kinesiology as an undergrad since a DPT program is required for physical therapy. I don’t want my kid stuck in the school of education and realize that they need to do additional years because they want to go to med school. I want them to have options and I feel like staying at arts and sciences at whatever school, with the exception of Michigan, is the safest way to do that. I don’t know how hard it is to transfer between colleges once admitted. Is this something that we need to reach out to each individual school to ask about?
Anonymous
08/04/2024 12:26
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Would the naysayers respond differently if this was about Kinesiology at Michigan?
My comment was about the major (considered a lightweight science, for people going into sports/phys ed type fields--more applied/less intellectual).
The school does not help the field, though I guess getting a weak degree from a strong school would give you an advantage in the eyes of someone trying to hire an applicant with that major.
Anonymous
08/04/2024 12:11
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would the naysayers respond differently if this was about Kinesiology at Michigan?
yes. Kinesiology is not nearly as well regarded as arts& sciences majors such as biology or chem or physics. Not even close. Premeds are not advised to start in kinesiology.
So, yes, you would respond differently if talking about Michigan? Meaning, you would advise Kinesiology at Michigan and not UVA…..
Anonymous
08/04/2024 09:12
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Would the naysayers respond differently if this was about Kinesiology at Michigan?
yes. Kinesiology is not nearly as well regarded as arts& sciences majors such as biology or chem or physics. Not even close. Premeds are not advised to start in kinesiology.
Anonymous
08/04/2024 09:07
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote: Kinesiology is the hardest acceptance at UVA and then Nursing.
lowest rate does not mean hardest: the pool of students is vastly different than the main schools
Anonymous
08/04/2024 09:04
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anyone know anything about this direct-admit program in the school of education?
Admissions stats? Harder or easier to get in than the arts and sciences school there?
Does it matter if male vs female?
The students who get in from the DC-area private school we attend are much "lower" as far as SAT and course quality/math path: it is a lot easier, as is nursing. APCalculus is not needed, they usually take regular calc or end in AP stats after regular precal, and they do not expect all the hard AP in core courses and all that, compared to what is needed from the A&S or Engineering admits. For example A&S and Engineering unhooked usually needs 1430+ as well as top 25% or so GPA with AP english, APUSH at least one of AP Bio or Chem or PhysC, whereas the kinesiology admits come from the middle of the pack and their science track usually has them do one year each of Bio Chem physics then APES as their AP, or some do Anatomy and physiology, and SATs are 1350-1400 or so . Nursing students are admitted from even lower in the class, 1200-1300 is the typical SAT, and they usually take anatomy and physiology and bio and chem and take precalculus or AP stats, so they are from the lowest math track in the high schools. We have a friend at Penn Nursing and they too have a lower standard/lower expectations compared to the main 3 schools of UPenn, but because they only take 100-150 students per year the admit rate is still very low, and they focus on work experience and an application that shows true compassion for other humans. The friend got in with a 1410 SAT and they are average to smart in their opinion, compared to the other 100 or so students. Nursing does not take the same intro chem and bio and all that that would be taken by A&S, Engineering and Wharton(yes there are premeds in Wharton!). Anyway they chose Upenn, but got into UVA nursing which the high school told them was a mathc but that if they did UVA A&S would be a reach. Kinesiology is structured differently but it is likewise separate from UVA A&S, as far as courses, andthe course difficulty is not the same. There is a reason Echols and Rodman Scholars program is for A&S, Engineering and there is not a similar academic scholars program for Kinesiology and Nursing, they just are not the same level of academic rigor
Anonymous
08/04/2024 08:37
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Admissions stats by school at UVA: https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/undergraduate-admissions
Anonymous
08/04/2024 08:32
Subject: Kinesiology UVA
Kinesiology is the hardest acceptance at UVA and then Nursing.