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Anonymous wrote:

Or big 4 Partners or white shoe lawyers who look like they came out of the casting department

None of the big 4 partners I worked with or white shoe law firm partners I have seen looked like they came out of a casting department.

Well D&I killed it.

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Anonymous wrote:Women dress up for other women. They are more concerned about what the women think of them. I admit this about myself. It’s. It the patriarchy telling us to dress up. We are doing for each other . It’s a competition.

"We do?" I dress for myself.

I dress for men and women

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Anonymous wrote:You consider Bezos, Zuckerberg, Nadella, Buffet, Gates, Pichai, Ellison attractive?

Very few of those rose through the ranks. Founders can look however they want. When you're mid-level exec, you don't have the luxury of looking unprofessional.

OP - yes, women are held to a different beauty standard and it's unfair, but I'll submit that women also enjoy more tools at their disposal for achieving those standards. As a man, if I want to fix or hide my physical shortcomings, I can't transform my face in the same way that women can. So the bar is sometimes set at different heights, but the ability to achieve those different heights also varies across genders.

Leave it to a man to twist gender discrimination against women to somehow paint himself as a victim. And I understand that you will NEVER get it. Get what's it's like to be a women held to gender standards and to have to go above and beyond to be considered for a job.

You don't have to "transform your face" to be taken seriously and get a job (though I'd say you can absolutely do facials, botox, and some other things that women use and i knwo that men do use). Women do. As this article illustrates. That's not just unfair, it's discrimination. And unless those appearance standards are job-related-and in most if not all situations they are not- it is illegal discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:No one forces women to doll up.

No, but the article makes it sound like she didn't get the job because she chose not to.

Research reveals that women who are well groomed are paid more.

THat's beside the point, if true.

You have to wear makeup to get the good job. But not too much makeup, because then no one will take you seriously. Just the right amount. Essentially, what America Fererra’s character said in the Barbie soliloquy.

Anonymous wrote:No one forces women to doll up.

Peer pressure from other women.

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"When Weaver asked the job recruiter for feedback about why, the recruiter wrote back in an email reviewed by HuffPost that she “was concerned that you didn’t put forth enough effort into your appearance given you were interviewing for a vice president role.”
Weaver said she was “baffled” by this feedback.
She had blown out her hair and donned a freshly ironed blazer, collared shirt and earrings for her video interview. The only thing she had not done? Put on makeup."




https://www.huffpost.com/entry/makeup-work-appearance_l_661d4063e4b0bdba1c5a7f6f?d_id=7560128&ref=bffbhuffpost&ncid_tag=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=us_main&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHRSWYalov1-dn2w0pi9T23juc5boZtyFliAm2FAT9qgvxqxeqa2vUYvIeQ_aem_Ab2Pgj9BvdxQfTjt3O16Rm0RiXRkZDseQLS0bljxtIZoArfoI1j6-_paLNYIxehC7U0

This is arguably illegal, unless male candidates are also expected to wear makeup: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_Waterhouse_v._Hopkins

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one forces women to doll up.

No, but the article makes it sound like she didn't get the job because she chose not to.

Research reveals that women who are well groomed are paid more.

Thus, the thread title is fairly accurate.

Anonymous wrote:It is not nature's way. The men ought to be dressed up colorfully, dancing, singing, using the dollars and trying to attract the women.

+100

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one forces women to doll up.

No, but the article makes it sound like she didn't get the job because she chose not to.

Research reveals that women who are well groomed are paid more.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else surprised that someone who's getting a blowout for an interview wears zero makeup? It's different from not paying any attention to your appearance at all. Just wondering what her thinking was.

(Not saying that makes gender norms or discrimination based on appearance okay!)

I blow out my hair almost every day and rarely wear makeup.

I read "blowout" as done by a professional, vs blowdrying your hair yourself. So per my above that is a lot of effort to put in and then decide no makeup. A lot of "clean makeup" is still some makeup.

Anonymous wrote:
"When Weaver asked the job recruiter for feedback about why, the recruiter wrote back in an email reviewed by HuffPost that she “was concerned that you didn’t put forth enough effort into your appearance given you were interviewing for a vice president role.”
Weaver said she was “baffled” by this feedback.
She had blown out her hair and donned a freshly ironed blazer, collared shirt and earrings for her video interview. The only thing she had not done? Put on makeup."




https://www.huffpost.com/entry/makeup-work-appearance_l_661d4063e4b0bdba1c5a7f6f?d_id=7560128&ref=bffbhuffpost&ncid_tag=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=us_main&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHRSWYalov1-dn2w0pi9T23juc5boZtyFliAm2FAT9qgvxqxeqa2vUYvIeQ_aem_Ab2Pgj9BvdxQfTjt3O16Rm0RiXRkZDseQLS0bljxtIZoArfoI1j6-_paLNYIxehC7U0

Isn't this just a sign that this person shouldn't work at this company? I would take a rejection as blessing.

Anonymous wrote:You consider Bezos, Zuckerberg, Nadella, Buffet, Gates, Pichai, Ellison attractive?

Very few of those rose through the ranks. Founders can look however they want. When you're mid-level exec, you don't have the luxury of looking unprofessional.

OP - yes, women are held to a different beauty standard and it's unfair, but I'll submit that women also enjoy more tools at their disposal for achieving those standards. As a man, if I want to fix or hide my physical shortcomings, I can't transform my face in the same way that women can. So the bar is sometimes set at different heights, but the ability to achieve those different heights also varies across genders.

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Anonymous wrote:To the swimwear poster - no one forces women to buy shoelaces-as-bikini.

Yeah, i have discovered athleta board shorts for women! they are awesome. i wear them with a rash guard. no more bikini waxes for me.

Love! Now only if they made tankinis or rash guards with a built in bra that holds larger DD. I could just get a bikini top separately, I guess?

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Or big 4 Partners or white shoe lawyers who look like they came out of the casting department

None of the big 4 partners I worked with or white shoe law firm partners I have seen looked like they came out of a casting department.

Haha this! I work with both all the time and this cracked me up.