Anonymous
04/21/2024 19:54
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
I live in Hong Kong and have spent time in the mainland.
There is truth to both perspectives. The schools here don’t mess around. The parents, students, and teachers all take education seriously. Education means the core skills, not endless fluff about “wellness” and inclusion. Excellence is celebrated across the whole community.
https://scmp_epaper.pressreader.com/article/281608129888743
On the other hand… the schools tend to be pressure cookers with little time or interest in individual expression or creativity. They are quick to sort kids into high achievers or…other. Their approach is very formulaic and has a lot of rote learning.
For these reasons Western international schools are very popular/prestigious where they are available.
There is truth to both perspectives. The schools here don’t mess around. The parents, students, and teachers all take education seriously. Education means the core skills, not endless fluff about “wellness” and inclusion. Excellence is celebrated across the whole community.
https://scmp_epaper.pressreader.com/article/281608129888743
On the other hand… the schools tend to be pressure cookers with little time or interest in individual expression or creativity. They are quick to sort kids into high achievers or…other. Their approach is very formulaic and has a lot of rote learning.
For these reasons Western international schools are very popular/prestigious where they are available.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 19:53
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asia in general.
American students, on average, would probably be D- to F students in most Asian school systems in first world Asian countries. Even our brightest would probably only be middle of the pack over there.
It’s just a fact that Asians are smarter, right?!?
Yes.
Also culture. My childrens having 4 hour chinese school today, plus AOPS classes earlier in week. Because when we go home for school in summer, they be behind.
Ah yes, eugenics. Niiiice.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 19:29
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asia in general.
American students, on average, would probably be D- to F students in most Asian school systems in first world Asian countries. Even our brightest would probably only be middle of the pack over there.
It’s just a fact that Asians are smarter, right?!?
Yes.
Also culture. My childrens having 4 hour chinese school today, plus AOPS classes earlier in week. Because when we go home for school in summer, they be behind.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 19:22
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Is China's great school system the reason so many middle class people in large cities are dropping everything to zouxian (walk into) American via Central America - many of them citing the crap schools in China?
Anonymous
04/21/2024 19:20
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
The video seems to leave out parents beating children and calling them "stupid" and "trash" for getting bad grades. It also seems to have forgotten to include the kids who are depressed but the parents are totally in denial. How about the complete inability to structure an original thought or argument?
What about that time I interviewed a Chinese grad student for a position in my DC organization and her mother - yes, her mother - insisted on joining the interview to make the case for her daughter. I'd like to see that in the video.
Yeah, great parenting. Real top shit we want to emulate.
What about that time I interviewed a Chinese grad student for a position in my DC organization and her mother - yes, her mother - insisted on joining the interview to make the case for her daughter. I'd like to see that in the video.
Yeah, great parenting. Real top shit we want to emulate.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 15:11
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:These videos aren’t on TikTok, they’re creeping into my Instagram feed.
Do you really think physical fitness, eating real food instead of processed food, and equipping kids from an early age to be focused enough to master something is a bad thing?
When you're doing it to turn them into cogs for the state wheel and you almost certainly "cull the herd" for abnormalities, then I think results might not be so rosy. China already has the "lying flat" effect.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 15:04
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Ah. You should educate yourself on how things work, then.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 14:48
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5zW_9foEui/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Anyone else seeing videos of what kindergarten in China is like in their social media feed? This stuff keeps popping up in Instagram and quite frankly is scary…because their attention to health, motor skills, discipline and focus is light years ahead of us/US.
Don't be fooled. Mostly Chinese fake news. They have more problems that we have.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 14:26
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Dp- sweetie, are you not understanding that in China they don’t cover it? They don’t move on, because they aren’t allowed to speak of it.
Sweetie, what you aren't understanding is they (Asia) can out perform you on just about any and every level, because they try. They're diligent and they haven't let their standards drop like we have. Same with Europe.
Meanwhile, you're telling us math is racist, we need more drag queen story hour, every child needs a trophy, and there should be no standardized testing to get into college (or even K-12 because someone's psyche might be damaged).
Building straw men for your argument isn’t a great look.
I haven’t said or advocated for any of the crazy stuff you are trying to shift this conversation toward. This thread isn’t about drag queens and immigrants. I know that is really difficult for you to not dwell on…
The only thing I’m telling you, is that Chinese education is incomplete, because they don’t allow their students to ask questions.
Cool basketball tricks, though.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:53
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Dp- sweetie, are you not understanding that in China they don’t cover it? They don’t move on, because they aren’t allowed to speak of it.
Sweetie, what you aren't understanding is they (Asia) can out perform you on just about any and every level, because they try. They're diligent and they haven't let their standards drop like we have. Same with Europe.
Meanwhile, you're telling us math is racist, we need more drag queen story hour, every child needs a trophy, and there should be no standardized testing to get into college (or even K-12 because someone's psyche might be damaged).
If it is that great I am just wondering why there is no mass migration to that country, including you should line up too…
Because of the entire concept of moral hazard. Everyone in the world knows it is very difficult to get into the country and there are zero rewards for entering illegally. Therefore, people know not to do it in the first place because their life will be difficult.
Truly amazing Dems cannot understand this concept. If you reward illegal immigration, guess what? You get more!
Yes, if China really wanted you to move there, they'd let you in. But they don't. Why don't these smart, educated Chinese want you to live there amongst them?
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:41
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Dp- sweetie, are you not understanding that in China they don’t cover it? They don’t move on, because they aren’t allowed to speak of it.
Sweetie, what you aren't understanding is they (Asia) can out perform you on just about any and every level, because they try. They're diligent and they haven't let their standards drop like we have. Same with Europe.
Meanwhile, you're telling us math is racist, we need more drag queen story hour, every child needs a trophy, and there should be no standardized testing to get into college (or even K-12 because someone's psyche might be damaged).
If it is that great I am just wondering why there is no mass migration to that country, including you should line up too…
Because of the entire concept of moral hazard. Everyone in the world knows it is very difficult to get into the country and there are zero rewards for entering illegally. Therefore, people know not to do it in the first place because their life will be difficult.
Truly amazing Dems cannot understand this concept. If you reward illegal immigration, guess what? You get more!
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:31
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asia in general.
American students, on average, would probably be D- to F students in most Asian school systems in first world Asian countries. Even our brightest would probably only be middle of the pack over there.
It’s just a fact that Asians are smarter, right?!?
No, it’s just that they’re harder workers. Americans are fat and lazy, which translates into more stupidity. Not necessarily due to inherent higher intelligence, it’s just that America trains people to be dumb.
And that’s why there is never any innovation coming from the United States.
Except all the innovation that comes from the United States.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:31
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Our students function just fine, thanks. Next.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:24
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Dp- sweetie, are you not understanding that in China they don’t cover it? They don’t move on, because they aren’t allowed to speak of it.
Sweetie, what you aren't understanding is they (Asia) can out perform you on just about any and every level, because they try. They're diligent and they haven't let their standards drop like we have. Same with Europe.
Meanwhile, you're telling us math is racist, we need more drag queen story hour, every child needs a trophy, and there should be no standardized testing to get into college (or even K-12 because someone's psyche might be damaged).
If it is that great I am just wondering why there is no mass migration to that country, including you should line up too…
Maybe because they're not going to accept 10 zillion poverty cases and they do what's best for themselves. We have so many problems and you insist on taking on more. Are you self-destructive?
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:10
Subject: China is raising a population that will outshine us
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Original point is not being addressed. Just a bunch of whining about past grievances.
Past grievances? So tell me, what happens right now if a student asks a teacher in class about Tiananmen Square, or posts about it on their social media?
You cover it, let the student make their own decision and then move on to the next topic.
YOU don't want anyone moving on to the next topic. So, we have a students graduating high school that can't complete 8th grade math, read at an 8th grade level with low levels of literacy, can't point out the South American continent on a map and need remedial tutoring in multiple areas before entering college.
As I said, I'm not here promoting the US as having some magnificent educational system -- in fact, the opposite. But you are campaigning for yours.
So once again, what happens if that child posts anything at all about Tiananmen Square on their social media, even just a memorial post on the anniversary?
I'm not Chinese. I'm a red blooded American living in Virginia. What I'm telling you is step one is admitting you have a problem and then tackling that problem with tough love.
I told you, you cover Tiananmen and move on. You can also cover FDR putting 110,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps.
But we need our students to be able to FUNCTION in a society and perform on a daily basis. Social opinion can only get you so far. It doesn't manufacture goods, get product from point A to B, invent the next hardware/software platform, construct housing and fix/install plumbing and electrical when needed.
We're spending an ungodly amount on education compared to the rest of the world and turning out incompetence. Part of it is parenting and part of it is education and discipline.
Dp- sweetie, are you not understanding that in China they don’t cover it? They don’t move on, because they aren’t allowed to speak of it.
Sweetie, what you aren't understanding is they (Asia) can out perform you on just about any and every level, because they try. They're diligent and they haven't let their standards drop like we have. Same with Europe.
Meanwhile, you're telling us math is racist, we need more drag queen story hour, every child needs a trophy, and there should be no standardized testing to get into college (or even K-12 because someone's psyche might be damaged).
If it is that great I am just wondering why there is no mass migration to that country, including you should line up too…