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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

DP, but yeah. All worm food, sorry to disappoint.

Anonymous wrote:If there is a true God, then this God should not be judging people solely on their ‘belief’, but rather on if they have a good soul.

Who defines “good”?

Anonymous wrote:If there is a true God, then this God should not be judging people solely on their ‘belief’, but rather on if they have a good soul.

The soul that “He” made.

Sure I'd love to get 40 virgins, deathbed or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

Yes, that’s exactly what I hope. But that does not mean that there’s no meaning to life… you only find meaning in life by what happens after death?

Also - Mother Theresa was a horrible person.

If there is a true God, then this God should not be judging people solely on their ‘belief’, but rather on if they have a good soul.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die. But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead. Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully.

OP here. God it’s very clear that there is ultimate justice. That’s the whole point. To hope you’re right as an atheist means you have to be OK with the idea that there is NOT eternal justice and everyone ends up the same, no matter how they lived their life.

If you know you are right, why do you care or obsess over what others think?

Because I’m curious and interested in other people’s thoughts. Can you say the same?

If that's what it is, why do you then argue with the responses? Are you bored?

Are you the poster of many other threads along this line?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die. But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead. Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully.

OP here. God it’s very clear that there is ultimate justice. That’s the whole point. To hope you’re right as an atheist means you have to be OK with the idea that there is NOT eternal justice and everyone ends up the same, no matter how they lived their life.

But the rules for ultimate justice as the Christians see it (even worse how some of the other monotheistic religions see it) is to accept Jesus, which has nothing to do with being a good person. I would rather by far that everyone ends up the same than the rules being determined by something so arbitrary.

I mean, do you ask believers if they “hope” they are wrong? I think I’m right — in fact, I would say I know I am — so it doesn’t make much sense to ask if I hope I’m wrong.

But if one insists, I would actually say I fervently hope to be right in my atheism. To learn with certainty that there is a god who has chosen to unleash such suffering so capriciously on so many of his flock, like children who die terrible deaths of cancer or malnourishment, would be so morally devastating to me. A god who could stop suffering but chose not to, for whatever reason, would be a level of disappointment and disgust that I hope not to face.

As for what god will “do to me” for not believing, if given the chance I would simply remind him that my non-belief came from the very mental faculties with which he chose to endow me. It would have been disrespectful not to follow my brain and my observations where they led me, so if he wants to punish that while rewarding those Pascal’s Wager people who “knew better” but callously decided to pretend to believe because they thought it might pay out like a lottery ticket, that would be yet another example of his wickedness.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die. But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead. Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully.

OP here. God it’s very clear that there is ultimate justice. That’s the whole point. To hope you’re right as an atheist means you have to be OK with the idea that there is NOT eternal justice and everyone ends up the same, no matter how they lived their life.

If you know you are right, why do you care or obsess over what others think?

Because I’m curious and interested in other people’s thoughts. Can you say the same?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die. But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead. Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully.

OP here. God it’s very clear that there is ultimate justice. That’s the whole point. To hope you’re right as an atheist means you have to be OK with the idea that there is NOT eternal justice and everyone ends up the same, no matter how they lived their life.

If you know you are right, why do you care or obsess over what others think?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die. But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead. Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully.

OP here. God it’s very clear that there is ultimate justice. That’s the whole point. To hope you’re right as an atheist means you have to be OK with the idea that there is NOT eternal justice and everyone ends up the same, no matter how they lived their life.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims? You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying.

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die. But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead. Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully.

I know I am a very loving and empathetic person with a big heart. Many Catholics that I know are racist and very judgmental. If God chooses to accept a mean person just because they go to church, and not accept a loving kind person who grapples with organized religion, then so be it.

I’m an atheist and I don’t think there’s an afterlife. When we die, we just die and that’s it.

I really hope I’m wrong and that there is something beyond this life.