Anonymous
04/17/2024 21:09
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.
No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.
It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.
So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.
Yes and no. Gifted students might not reach their full potential if they go to a less competitive school. Public school have to teach to lowest common denominator, because they are not allowed to leave any kids behind. For gifted kids, the content will likely be too easy for them a more normal school because there are too many below average students that prevent the class from moving on to more advanced material.
But PP pretty much every school is segregated between the academically oriented students and those who struggle.
Segregated is a loaded word but in any case the difference in pass rates on AP exams (earlier post) suggests otherwise.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 20:59
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.
No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.
It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.
So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.
Yes and no. Gifted students might not reach their full potential if they go to a less competitive school. Public school have to teach to lowest common denominator, because they are not allowed to leave any kids behind. For gifted kids, the content will likely be too easy for them a more normal school because there are too many below average students that prevent the class from moving on to more advanced material.
But PP pretty much every school is segregated between the academically oriented students and those who struggle.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 20:22
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.
No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.
It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.
So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.
Yes and no. Gifted students might not reach their full potential if they go to a less competitive school. Public school have to teach to lowest common denominator, because they are not allowed to leave any kids behind. For gifted kids, the content will likely be too easy for them a more normal school because there are too many below average students that prevent the class from moving on to more advanced material.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 20:10
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.
No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.
It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.
So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.
DP. McLean was recognized by the Board of Supervisors this week for winning a press award (along with Chantilly and West Springfield), as well as winning the state Scholastic Bowl competition this winter. The students who spoke praised the support they received from the school administration and their faculty sponsors. The reality is that a number of factors contribute to student success.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 19:58
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.
No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.
It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.
So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 13:21
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
The most recent standard deviation for SAT scores according to the College Board is 221 and the number of test takers at Langley was 441. So by this logic the test scores could "basically vary" 21 points from year-to-year without changing significantly.
However, the six-year decline in the SAT scores at Langley was 47 points, not 21.
However, the six-year decline in the SAT scores at Langley was 47 points, not 21.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 12:15
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
As a statistician, I can tell you there is not nearly enough information here to draw any conclusions.
What do you mean? It’s a matter of fact that SAT scores have dropped more over the past 6 years in FCPS on average than in either Virginia or the nation. There could be different explanations as to why that’s the case but regardless of whether you’re a statistician or not facts are facts.
They means that the decline may not be statistically significant. There is some normal random variation in score that will occur. The standard deviation of SAT scores is 207. So the standard deviation of the sample mean will be 207 divided by the square root of the number of SAT test takers at Langley high school. Eg. If 600 people took SAT the standard deviation of the sample mean will be 8.5 points so the test scores could basically vary 17 (actually 20 points because SAT scores are in 10 point increments) points in either direction from year to year without changing significantly. It’s very possible that random chance could explain a 20 point decline average SAT scores at Langley high school.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 10:43
Subject: Re:Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The same report indicates the following pass rates (3 or higher) on AP exams last year among the county's 17 AP high schools:
TJ 93.7%
Langley 86.3%
McLean 85.7%
Woodson 81.8%
West Springfield 77.6%
Chantilly 75.5%
Oakton 73.5%
Madison 73.2%
Lake Braddock 71.6%
Herndon 70.6%
Westfield 67.1%
Centreville 63.1%
Fairfax 59.1%
South County 57.9%
West Potomac 56.1%
Hayfield 54.3%
Falls Church 43.4%
Where is this report that is being referenced?
FCTA web site. They FOIA'd the College Board reports.
Anonymous
04/17/2024 10:35
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Honestly F that Brabrand, he knowingly deceived people during Covid for malicious equity reasons so that he could prioritize and get attention to something that would elevate his standing on the national education hierarchy to cash out. All at the expense of the ordinary kids. But in the end, unlike prior superintendents Garza and Domenech he couldn’t get one of those 500k paying non profit positions.
You white people are nuts! - "malicious equity reasons"
Anonymous
04/17/2024 09:25
Subject: Re:Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:The same report indicates the following pass rates (3 or higher) on AP exams last year among the county's 17 AP high schools:
TJ 93.7%
Langley 86.3%
McLean 85.7%
Woodson 81.8%
West Springfield 77.6%
Chantilly 75.5%
Oakton 73.5%
Madison 73.2%
Lake Braddock 71.6%
Herndon 70.6%
Westfield 67.1%
Centreville 63.1%
Fairfax 59.1%
South County 57.9%
West Potomac 56.1%
Hayfield 54.3%
Falls Church 43.4%
Where is this report that is being referenced?
Anonymous
04/16/2024 22:43
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That what happens when you closed schools from 4 years.
I will never get. Over it.
They were robbed to
3 school years
2019-2020
2020-2021
And 2021-2022 because they had to wear mask.
3 years without them learning a thing now they wonder what they did do and bad
LMAO. So now you are starting Covid closures in 2019? And let’s add a couple years after bc of masks? And if your kids didn’t learn a thing, they have much bigger issues than Covid learning loss (and a dumb parent).
DP. This is completely rude and unnecessary. I received a 1500+ SAT and honors engineering grad from UVA. I would have done noticeably worse had I been a student under the Braindead Brabrand policies. It is a valid point. Rude people aren’t very smart.
Anonymous
04/16/2024 21:50
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That what happens when you closed schools from 4 years.
I will never get. Over it.
They were robbed to
3 school years
2019-2020
2020-2021
And 2021-2022 because they had to wear mask.
3 years without them learning a thing now they wonder what they did do and bad
LMAO. So now you are starting Covid closures in 2019? And let’s add a couple years after bc of masks? And if your kids didn’t learn a thing, they have much bigger issues than Covid learning loss (and a dumb parent).
2019-2020 school year so they lost almost a whole semester
Anonymous
04/16/2024 21:44
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.
TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977
Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.
Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.
No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.
It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.
Anonymous
04/16/2024 20:24
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Is west po in the wrong place? Or typo?
Typo - should be 1089.
Anonymous
04/16/2024 20:13
Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:That what happens when you closed schools from 4 years.
I will never get. Over it.
They were robbed to
3 school years
2019-2020
2020-2021
And 2021-2022 because they had to wear mask.
3 years without them learning a thing now they wonder what they did do and bad
LMAO. So now you are starting Covid closures in 2019? And let’s add a couple years after bc of masks? And if your kids didn’t learn a thing, they have much bigger issues than Covid learning loss (and a dumb parent).