Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 13:47     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Parent of a Dec boy who was really technically skilled and coaches always told him he was the smartest player on the field. Unfortunately he was small for his age. He had a club soccer coach from Europe who really liked him and played the entire game. He always had the most assists on the team because he could dribble around other players then find these great passing lanes and his timing was great too as a midfielder. However once the coach changed and the physically bigger kids really started having growth spurts when they were 11 and my son was 10 we realized there was no future in soccer for him.

He switched to a different sport and ended up doing well in it. He finally had his growth spurt in high school. He is now 5’10” as a junior and fast but no longer has any real interest in playing soccer on a team. He was playing soccer on the beach last summer with some friends who are on his high school soccer team and they all were amazed and wanted him tj try out for high school soccer but he said no way.

So forget biobanding if you have a smaller boy born in the fall- find a new sport for them. We kept in touch with another small Nov born player from his team and they have been so frustrated with club soccer.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 13:27     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
I will say, that in the DPL post, the logo looks like an ECNL logo..
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 12:59     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:US Soccer promotes Bio Banding.

With GAs recent admission to US Soccer, I would imagine this will be a common thing in the GA league

Not true.

GA is basically a copy of ECNL. This means showcases and focus is on highlighting players for college scouts.

If US Soccer implements NWSL Next which would just be a copy of MLS Next then yes you would see biobanding in the girls game.

NWSL Next and GA would most likely remain complely separate leagues because the end goals (playing professionally and playing in college) are very different things.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 12:43     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
US Soccer promotes Bio Banding.

With GAs recent admission to US Soccer, I would imagine this will be a common thing in the GA league
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 12:31     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.


Actually size has less of an effect on soccer than it does some other sports.


Size has a massive effect on soccer at the younger ages.
Unless you're smarter than all the research into the subject.


Not really unless the kid is timid. You use your body differently instead of whining that a large kid has some special advantage. Larger kids tend to have weakness smaller kids don't.


One on one maybe but I’ve seen so many very talented late blooming kids get completely boxed out/shut down when multiple super large kids are defending against them (double teamed, etc). Everyone with a late bloomer thinks their kid can be the next Messi and size doesn’t matter but in 99.9% of the cases it’s true. One of my teens who plays another sport has gotten completely shut out this year, after multiple years of playing club, because now her sport only wants super tall girls in every position and there just are so many of them around here that it’s not an issue for the clubs to do this (supply/demand, this is volleyball). So I have major sympathy for the kids I see this happening to in soccer which one of my other kid plays. It stinks. But you can’t train height and size.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 12:29     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
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Anonymous wrote:It would be awesome if this rule existed for basketball. I have a kid born two days before the cutoff who is small for her age. She loves the sport, but will be late to sprout. There are already girls who are 5'7" at 11 yo and full on into puberty, while my kid is still 4'4" and looks like a 3rd grader. I have no doubt she'll eventually get there, but she may be 14 before she starts puberty.


So what are her options? Playing down on a strong team?

She's not allowed to play down. She's going to end up choosing a different sport. The cutoff date combined with her being late to puberty are too much to overcome.

Stop, there's all kinds of opportunities.

For girls the equivalent of playing down is playing for the 2nd/B team.

This is the difference between Academy and pay to play age bound soccer. There's always a way to play for girls unfortunately parents often won't accept playing on a lower team.

Ironically as girls get older clubs struggle to find players because they've chased off so many with cuts, etc. Which means if you pay your dues on the 2nd team something will open up on the top team.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 12:14     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be awesome if this rule existed for basketball. I have a kid born two days before the cutoff who is small for her age. She loves the sport, but will be late to sprout. There are already girls who are 5'7" at 11 yo and full on into puberty, while my kid is still 4'4" and looks like a 3rd grader. I have no doubt she'll eventually get there, but she may be 14 before she starts puberty.


So what are her options? Playing down on a strong team?

She's not allowed to play down. She's going to end up choosing a different sport. The cutoff date combined with her being late to puberty are too much to overcome.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 11:46     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.


Actually size has less of an effect on soccer than it does some other sports.


Size has a massive effect on soccer at the younger ages.
Unless you're smarter than all the research into the subject.


Not really unless the kid is timid. You use your body differently instead of whining that a large kid has some special advantage. Larger kids tend to have weakness smaller kids don't.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 11:40     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.


Actually size has less of an effect on soccer than it does some other sports.


Size has a massive effect on soccer at the younger ages.
Unless you're smarter than all the research into the subject.


Not really and certainly not more than most other team sports.
Pre-puberty the tiny fast kids usually are the best on the field. As the other kids grow, they lose their advantage and become worse relatively. Then the parents look around for something to "blame" because Larlo used to be the best!


Our experience has been that the most skilled kids are playing up, thats why they are the smallest on the field.

As they get older, and the rest catches up on skills or size becomes a factor, they go back to playing on age.

u sound like an SYC parent who whine abt biobanding when they lose, but you also know that a small skilled kid doesnt exist at SYC and biobanding will never be used there bc winning is all that matters at SYC, not development. SYC kids do their ind development on their own through small group training and private coaching.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2024 09:25     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.


Actually size has less of an effect on soccer than it does some other sports.


Size has a massive effect on soccer at the younger ages.
Unless you're smarter than all the research into the subject.


Not really and certainly not more than most other team sports.
Pre-puberty the tiny fast kids usually are the best on the field. As the other kids grow, they lose their advantage and become worse relatively. Then the parents look around for something to "blame" because Larlo used to be the best!
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 21:46     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.


Actually size has less of an effect on soccer than it does some other sports.


Size has a massive effect on soccer at the younger ages.
Unless you're smarter than all the research into the subject.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 21:38     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:Every sport has winners and losers with cutoffs. There's nothing unique about soccer except the whiny-ness of the parents of the tiny kids. Soccer is already the sport for little guys.


Neanderthal dunce
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 21:38     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
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Anonymous wrote:Bio-banding is a method by which players are grouped together based on their maturity and biological age rather than their birth year.

My understanding is that MLSN clubs use it? Which clubs? Do ECNL clubs use it as well?
What age does that start?
If you could please share any experience.
I’m sure some December birthday kids would benefit from that.
Thanks


I got this from another post:
MLS Next rules allow for 3 over-age players per team. It is called the "late developers" rule in MLS Next but is also referred to as bio-banding. The idea is to allow smaller kids who are late to puberty to play a year down until they catch up. At these years, there is a huge variability in height and weight and the rule is designed to encourage late developers to stick with the game. But, Bethesda abuses the rule for a competitive advantage by playing larger faster kids down.

Bethesda is misusing the bioband rule in the 2010 age group but using it correctly in the 2011 group. There was one, now two kids who technically skilled but very small. Not sure if the different usages are coincidence, difference in coaching, or what. But it's a shame to see them basically cheat in the 2010 age group.

If you're one of the Bethesda 2009 /10 parents, your kid is not physically delayed. They are being used to gain a competitive advantage. Look at the 2010/11 kid who bio-banded on Bethesda. Or, the one kid bio-banding with DCU. Both tiny and extremely skilled. That's the type of kids the program was designed for....not a 5'6" tall 15 year old who would be average sized in his own age group.



This is not at all on the girls side. I doubt it would be in the future.

When NWSL Next is implemented bio banding very much will come to the women's game. There's early and late developers in the Women's game but it's not as noticeable because at puberty girls don't get the rush of testosterone that boys do.

However what biobanding does do is keep parents from focusing on age groups and wins/losses. Because players can be switched out/in at will who can directly affect the outcome results don't matter. It all becomes about player development which ideally lands you on the pro team.


LOL!!! Not only is NWSLNext a certainty but this simp also knows the league policies before the league is even announced!!!


Iits not hard to understand how every Academy system around the world functions.

When NWSL implements Acadamies they're going to run them just like everyone else.

Not magic. It's called knowledge.


If you said that about European academies fine.

What you've said and continue to to say about NWSLNest is not knowledge, it is speculation.


Bio-banding is being applied on a broad scale in European youth soccer. Especially countries like Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands.
Players like Kevin De Bruyne are current beneficiaries.



From the discussion it looks like Loudoun uses this rule, not sure if that is at ECNL (national) level.
MLSN clubs can use the rule to play down up to 3 players per team. Is that rule actually being used in the local MLSN teams? i.e. SYC or Bethesda or ASA or Achilles?


As a PP said alrdy, Bethesda and Achilles uses it. Armour too according to PP but I personally only know of Bethesda and Achilles (don’t know enough abt Armours team).

And to answer OPs questions, I’m only aware that MLSNext allows biobanding. ECNL and other girls leagues DO NOT allow bio banding.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 21:35     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Bet you GA will implement Bio Banding next season
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 21:27     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down
Anonymous wrote:It would be awesome if this rule existed for basketball. I have a kid born two days before the cutoff who is small for her age. She loves the sport, but will be late to sprout. There are already girls who are 5'7" at 11 yo and full on into puberty, while my kid is still 4'4" and looks like a 3rd grader. I have no doubt she'll eventually get there, but she may be 14 before she starts puberty.


So what are her options? Playing down on a strong team?