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Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

This is a good explanation of the discrepancy

How many 4.0 kids at DMV publics? As a percentage. Anyone know?

Look at your school data.

You’ll be able to see what type of grades and scores you need and then go to your college counselor and ask if there are any legacies or otherwise hooked candidates of flying ED to any of your top five or 10 choices. Then choose accordingly. If it’s a small class, you may at most get two kids in ED And one to two kids in regular decision.

At our private, that GPA and those scores would be competitive for: Emory; Vanderbilt; Georgetown; Cornell; USC; Michigan.

But def not Northwestern or Wash U or Dartmouth…

It’s really so dependent on your high school.

I'm in Brooklyn and see URM kids getting in from private schools where their equally solid peers from public are not. I think admissions offices are still largely white, with their unconscious bias, and see an URM at a private as a kid who has already "proven" they can do the work. And can manage in a predominately white environment.

The difference is very stark. An URM from a private can write their ticket. From public .. very very long odds.

I dont know how it works for white kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Keep telling yourself that. The kids I know in public have landed at just as competitive schools as those in private. In many cases, well beyond. It's not what it used to be, but I understand that's a hard pill to swallow if you've paid private tuition for many years.

Not what we are seeing.
Top of the class… Meaning 4.0uw at a public school is definitely getting in to out of state public Flagships easily. But this group is having a much harder time with certain private schools in the top 20 where only a handful of kids from each public HS get in.

It’s a numbers game with the Private colleges and universities. They obv don’t want to only admit public high school students… Many of whom are asking for financial aid (tho obv not all).

Look at the data on where private high school kids go. They typically go to private colleges and universities. A very small group /percentage goes on public flagships. That’s where the discrepancy is.

So yes, all things equal, if you were gunning for a public Flagship, you are better off going to a public high school….

+100

Look to see what percentage of kids from private HSs are getting into private colleges and universities in the T20.

Then look and see what percentage at public schools are. There’s no comparison.

I agree, certain public high schools are, increasingly very competitive.

But with a huge focus on rural students, and under represented non-urban students, the place that you will see the most movement from increasing numbers of public HS seniors this year will be in selective Top 25 public flagships. Those schools are becoming increasingly attractive to high-achieving public high school students (UCLA/Cal/Mich)….

Just take a look at the college placement on those senior class IG pages.

The best metric of the selectivity of a college preparatory high school is what percentage of the senior class was admitted to a top 25 college or university. That includes the top/ very competitive lacs…. if it is above 40% of the class or approaching 50%, that is a stellar high school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Keep telling yourself that. The kids I know in public have landed at just as competitive schools as those in private. In many cases, well beyond. It's not what it used to be, but I understand that's a hard pill to swallow if you've paid private tuition for many years.

Not what we are seeing.
Top of the class… Meaning 4.0uw at a public school is definitely getting in to out of state public Flagships easily. But this group is having a much harder time with certain private schools in the top 20 where only a handful of kids from each public HS get in.

It’s a numbers game with the Private colleges and universities. They obv don’t want to only admit public high school students… Many of whom are asking for financial aid (tho obv not all).

Look at the data on where private high school kids go. They typically go to private colleges and universities. A very small group /percentage goes on public flagships. That’s where the discrepancy is.

So yes, all things equal, if you were gunning for a public Flagship, you are better off going to a public high school….

Disagree. The kids I know are strong public school kids gunning for private colleges. These private colleges want to and are admitting more public school kids than ever, so private is no longer an advantage at all.

OK great. Glad you got that off your chest. Can you move on?

Anonymous wrote:Private school doesn't mean your kid has better odds for admission... it can work the other way. Grades can be inflated to appease the parents shelling out tuition money, and colleges want kids that aren't privileged in every way. Good luck to your kid, I just find the private school call out annoying.

NP. The defensive non-private school parent post is equally annoying. Trust.

OP, AOs know if your private school inflates grades or not. Most do not. To the PP, most private schools are more rigorous and engage in grade deflation. It’s generally a much better education. This is why you’re defensive. Most of the kids at my kids’ private come from families that sacrifice immensely to send their kid to the school. Your post is very ignorant.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Keep telling yourself that. The kids I know in public have landed at just as competitive schools as those in private. In many cases, well beyond. It's not what it used to be, but I understand that's a hard pill to swallow if you've paid private tuition for many years.

Not what we are seeing.
Top of the class… Meaning 4.0uw at a public school is definitely getting in to out of state public Flagships easily. But this group is having a much harder time with certain private schools in the top 20 where only a handful of kids from each public HS get in.

It’s a numbers game with the Private colleges and universities. They obv don’t want to only admit public high school students… Many of whom are asking for financial aid (tho obv not all).

Look at the data on where private high school kids go. They typically go to private colleges and universities. A very small group /percentage goes on public flagships. That’s where the discrepancy is.

So yes, all things equal, if you were gunning for a public Flagship, you are better off going to a public high school….

Disagree. The kids I know are strong public school kids gunning for private colleges. These private colleges want to and are admitting more public school kids than ever, so private is no longer an advantage at all.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

This is a good explanation of the discrepancy

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Keep telling yourself that. The kids I know in public have landed at just as competitive schools as those in private. In many cases, well beyond. It's not what it used to be, but I understand that's a hard pill to swallow if you've paid private tuition for many years.

Not what we are seeing.
Top of the class… Meaning 4.0uw at a public school is definitely getting in to out of state public Flagships easily. But this group is having a much harder time with certain private schools in the top 20 where only a handful of kids from each public HS get in.

It’s a numbers game with the Private colleges and universities. They obv don’t want to only admit public high school students… Many of whom are asking for financial aid (tho obv not all).

Look at the data on where private high school kids go. They typically go to private colleges and universities. A very small group /percentage goes on public flagships. That’s where the discrepancy is.

So yes, all things equal, if you were gunning for a public Flagship, you are better off going to a public high school….

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Keep telling yourself that. The kids I know in public have landed at just as competitive schools as those in private. In many cases, well beyond. It's not what it used to be, but I understand that's a hard pill to swallow if you've paid private tuition for many years.

This part is true-I wonder though if private school kids are on average more equipped to do the work than their public school counterparts once they get to college. Everyone just focuses on getting in but there is also Staying In and doing well-very different.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Keep telling yourself that. The kids I know in public have landed at just as competitive schools as those in private. In many cases, well beyond. It's not what it used to be, but I understand that's a hard pill to swallow if you've paid private tuition for many years.

Anonymous wrote:Has there always been this discrepancy btw public school and private school GPA? What accounts for it?

Grade inflation?
Size of class?

Both. Mainly class size. If you have 500 kids in a class, you can give As to 100 students without looking like grade inflation, even if it is. If you have a class of 125, then giving As to 100 students looks like grade inflation, even if it isn't. You have to have a distribution of grades; everyone can't get As, so in a small school, you end up seeing kids with 3.5 GPA and 1490 SAT.

Anonymous wrote:I've seen Classics majors get into Yale, Princeton, Stanford.

with 3.8? I assume that's b/c of the dearth of classics majors at these schools and still full faculty departments. I have heard there are less than 10 classics majors a year at some of these schools. Sometimes less than 5

Also check your school’s Naviance or SCOIR data for NU-they seem to like some schools in the DMV more than others!!

Agree with the above posters that NU possible with appropriate major and ED1. Need max rigor classes and 35/1540 plus testing also if coming from private. Legacy helpful too.