Anonymous wrote:I'm European. Young people are indeed moving further to the right in western Europe. There are two issues driving it - immigration and housing. The younger generation doesn't accept the platitudes and social justice mantras of older generations. They look at their communities - whether in Sweden, France, Holland - and note that nearly all violent crime is committed by Arab and African immigrants. And it's younger people that are often the victims of it - from sexual assault to muggings to murder. Most immigrants to Europe do not accept western mores and values. And younger Europeans are tired of it. They will increasingly vote for anti-immigration parties.

Secondly, fewer and fewer Europeans can afford their own home - whether owning or renting. And this is also tied to immigration. They see how much their governments are spending to house and feed immigrants from Mali or Iraq. And that leads to resentment. The traditional left and center-left parties are often seen as out-of-touch dinosaurs that are completely removed from the day to day realities of average Europeans. The energy is increasingly with the right wing parties. Even in liberal and tolerant Holland, the far right candidate - Geert Wilders - got the most votes in the last election. And I suspect that trend will continue throughout western Europe. Young people are fed up, and they are untethered from the past. The Cold War is a long time ago. And World War II is something you read about in a history book. They will increasingly vote for the right because the left has failed to address the issues they are concerned about.

But it should be noted that the European right is nothing like the American right. Every European wants health insurance, pensions, social welfare, vacation time, affordable education, a sane climate policy etc etc. Immigration and the cost of housing is what drives the European right.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

You have clearly do not understand the situation in Europe if you think the liberals are encouraging the importation of poverty and diversity.

Freedom of movement was established under the EU to encourage flexible and mobile labour markets. It was in fact driven by free market economics. This means that any citizen of an EU country has the right to live and work in another country. It predictably resulted in a large movement of migrants from poorer countries to wealthier countries upon enlargement of the EU to include Eastern European countries.

Opposition to migrants in the UK largely sprung from the fairly rapid arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans, particularly Poles, in the UK which led to a perception that cheap labour was undercutting the wages and working conditions of locals. The reality was Eastern European workers were more easily exploited and generally were prepared to work for less money. This is somewhat true. Note that these new arrivals were largely white and Christian. In some small towns, changes happened very rapidly as large numbers of migrants arrived.

According to The Economist, areas that saw increases of over 200% in foreign-born population between 2001 and 2014 saw a majority of voters back leave in 94% of cases. The Economist concluded 'High numbers of migrants don't bother Britons; high rates of change do.' Consistent with that notion, research suggests that areas that saw significant influx of migration from Eastern Europe following the accession of 12 mainly Eastern European countries to the European Union in 2004 saw significant growth in support for the UK Independence Party and more likely to vote to leave the European Union.

So please note the negative attitudes towards migration were largely initially fueled by the sudden arrival of large numbers of white Christian migrants. The seeds of Brexit were sown by Eastern European migrants, not by migrants from outside the EU. Ironically, since Brexit, most migrants to the UK are now from outside the EU, particularly the Indian subcontinent and parts of Asia.

While true, this is irrelevant. The immigration issues today driving the shift right are not about Eastern Europeans.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

You have clearly do not understand the situation in Europe if you think the liberals are encouraging the importation of poverty and diversity.

Freedom of movement was established under the EU to encourage flexible and mobile labour markets. It was in fact driven by free market economics. This means that any citizen of an EU country has the right to live and work in another country. It predictably resulted in a large movement of migrants from poorer countries to wealthier countries upon enlargement of the EU to include Eastern European countries.

Opposition to migrants in the UK largely sprung from the fairly rapid arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans, particularly Poles, in the UK which led to a perception that cheap labour was undercutting the wages and working conditions of locals. The reality was Eastern European workers were more easily exploited and generally were prepared to work for less money. This is somewhat true. Note that these new arrivals were largely white and Christian. In some small towns, changes happened very rapidly as large numbers of migrants arrived.

According to The Economist, areas that saw increases of over 200% in foreign-born population between 2001 and 2014 saw a majority of voters back leave in 94% of cases. The Economist concluded 'High numbers of migrants don't bother Britons; high rates of change do.' Consistent with that notion, research suggests that areas that saw significant influx of migration from Eastern Europe following the accession of 12 mainly Eastern European countries to the European Union in 2004 saw significant growth in support for the UK Independence Party and more likely to vote to leave the European Union.

So please note the negative attitudes towards migration were largely initially fueled by the sudden arrival of large numbers of white Christian migrants. The seeds of Brexit were sown by Eastern European migrants, not by migrants from outside the EU. Ironically, since Brexit, most migrants to the UK are now from outside the EU, particularly the Indian subcontinent and parts of Asia.

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Anonymous wrote:No young people are smarter than they are given credit for, if not for the indoctrination in American schools we would be seeing it here as well.

Interesting. Some people are America blaming schools and educators, which I find interesting. I have heard that language before — “indoctrination” in schools. IRL .

Where does that language or theory come from?

I heard Jordan Peterson talk about the over influence and over-therapy in kids. ie kids are being directed to therapists too much in the US (he explained it in a snazzy video). I can actually buy that. But Where is this blaming schools thing coming from? Is this in a study or survey that I missed?

I think it just always existed.
Think about it, the whole history course is now about how white people exploited all kinds of non white people.

Why is it SOOOO hard for you to hear that they kind of did?

Because it is history. History is violent and brutal. You think white people were the only bad people? Hell, why don't you go learn about the Arab slave trade from Africa, Ghengis Khan, Chinese and Indian slavery, slavery by indigenous tribes in South and Central America, or the murderous empire of Imperial Japan.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

"Transing?" Do you hear yourself?
Recognizing that trans people are humans is not "transing" anything. Not to you, your kids, your family.

Your fearmongering is revolting.

Nope, sorry. Not going to back down from that one. Yes, there is social contagion that is fueling the trans craze. The teens I know are the ones who use the term “transing.”

You know what's fueling the trans craze? $$$$

Expensive surgeries and a lifetime of medicines and counseling. Medical providers make out like a bandit.

Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

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Anonymous wrote:No young people are smarter than they are given credit for, if not for the indoctrination in American schools we would be seeing it here as well.

Interesting. Some people are America blaming schools and educators, which I find interesting. I have heard that language before — “indoctrination” in schools. IRL .

Where does that language or theory come from?

I heard Jordan Peterson talk about the over influence and over-therapy in kids. ie kids are being directed to therapists too much in the US (he explained it in a snazzy video). I can actually buy that. But Where is this blaming schools thing coming from? Is this in a study or survey that I missed?

I think it just always existed.
Think about it, the whole history course is now about how white people exploited all kinds of non white people.

Why is it SOOOO hard for you to hear that they kind of did?

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

"Transing?" Do you hear yourself?
Recognizing that trans people are humans is not "transing" anything. Not to you, your kids, your family.

Your fearmongering is revolting.

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What's going to happen IMO is a lot of people are going to regret what they vote for, no matter what. Young people getting behind far-right governments because they want control on immigration are going to be sorry when they find out that what will actually happen is more privatizing of industries making things more expensive, more concentration of wealth, and corruption shifted from government to business. Immigration restrictions too far in the other direction will cause service sectors to collapse and cause other unexpected chaos like Brexit is experiencing. And even worse, governments toying with the idea of leaving NATO or siding with Putin will be in for a nasty surprise worldwide.

Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

Anonymous wrote:The liberals are for the very rich and the welfare class. The working class and middle class has been skillfully claimed by Trump. This is the majority. Trumps anti-war, pro working man, low taxes on wages, pro Christian, drive to cheapen energy, anti big pharma and other mega corporations is a growth position especially among Hispanics. No wonder nobody is volunteering for the military. Those people don’t come from the wealthy or welfare class and the middle class doesn’t want to be in a military that has 57 genders and has lost 2 wars under Biden.

Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

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Anonymous wrote:No young people are smarter than they are given credit for, if not for the indoctrination in American schools we would be seeing it here as well.

Interesting. Some people are America blaming schools and educators, which I find interesting. I have heard that language before — “indoctrination” in schools. IRL .

Where does that language or theory come from?

I heard Jordan Peterson talk about the over influence and over-therapy in kids. ie kids are being directed to therapists too much in the US (he explained it in a snazzy video). I can actually buy that. But Where is this blaming schools thing coming from? Is this in a study or survey that I missed?

I think it just always existed.
Think about it, the whole history course is now about how white people exploited all kinds of non white people.