Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In addition to 4-year graduation rate, I would look at freshman/first year retention rate - or how many students return after their first year. I would look at their first-year/freshman-year curriculum and the support they have in place for student success. Basically if your student goes there, what will that first year be like for them.
+1 They can have better outcomes for some students than a community college because you are part of the on campus community and I think that can be helpful in peer influence and access to support resources.
In VA, both GMU and VCU have overall high admit rates (will be lower for some majors) but also high retention rates. In MD, a couple smaller schools with high admit rates/high retention are McDaniel (has a reputation of having good supports for students with learning disabilities) and Loyola Maryland.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does your kid want to go far away? I always find these recommendations to just fly across the country to be a little out there.
There are plenty of close schools that will admit your kid - because they admitted mine.
West Virginia
Towson/Frostburg/Salisbury
The small state schools in PA - Schippensburg, slippery rock, westchester (and there are plenty more)
And, you'd be surprised at the merit aide offered.
+1
IMO, I would not be sending a kid who only got a 2.75 gpa in HS far from home.
Anonymous wrote:Does your kid want to go far away? I always find these recommendations to just fly across the country to be a little out there.
There are plenty of close schools that will admit your kid - because they admitted mine.
West Virginia
Towson/Frostburg/Salisbury
The small state schools in PA - Schippensburg, slippery rock, westchester (and there are plenty more)
And, you'd be surprised at the merit aide offered.
Anonymous wrote:University of Kansas, Arizona State, New Mexico State, Gonzaga (lower acceptance rate but invited kids to send in a letter with lower GPAs).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where you go to college doesn’t matter, it is what you do there. I guarantee you there are plenty of speciality surgeons making seven figures that did undergrad at state schools with high acceptance rates. The acceptance rate doesn’t matter.
Can we just make this a sticky?
Lots of people who make good 6 figure salaries from these schools as well. DH went to a state school with a 90% admit rate and I went to a commuter college. We make 500K together which is more money than I ever could have imagined.
Never happened. You can’t be successful unless you went to an Ivy. And if you claim to be successful but didn’t go to an Ivy, you had a MUCH harder time getting to where you are then you would have had if you came from an Ivy. And if you didn’t have a hard time, you’re still lacking the intellectually stimulating peer group of alumni that you would have had as an Ivy grad. And if you’re not lacking that, then you’re lacking the name recognition of the school and the stares of wonder and awe you get at a cocktail party when you mention your Alma mater. And if you’re not lacking that, you’re just lying!
You have me figured out!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where you go to college doesn’t matter, it is what you do there. I guarantee you there are plenty of speciality surgeons making seven figures that did undergrad at state schools with high acceptance rates. The acceptance rate doesn’t matter.
Can we just make this a sticky?
Lots of people who make good 6 figure salaries from these schools as well. DH went to a state school with a 90% admit rate and I went to a commuter college. We make 500K together which is more money than I ever could have imagined.
Never happened. You can’t be successful unless you went to an Ivy. And if you claim to be successful but didn’t go to an Ivy, you had a MUCH harder time getting to where you are then you would have had if you came from an Ivy. And if you didn’t have a hard time, you’re still lacking the intellectually stimulating peer group of alumni that you would have had as an Ivy grad. And if you’re not lacking that, then you’re lacking the name recognition of the school and the stares of wonder and awe you get at a cocktail party when you mention your Alma mater. And if you’re not lacking that, you’re just lying!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do these colleges also show stats regarding jobs and salaries upon graduation?
Whatever it is, it's bound to be better than no college at all.
Anonymous wrote:No WVU or Frostburg. I'm a living statistic of that 50% graduation rate. These are the 90% cultures OPs trying to avoid. Those are the big red flags.
All Frostburg and WVU have are alcohol and violence.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You say these schools are "lax," but another way to look at them is that they have capacity for all kinds of students.
George Mason University, for instance, had an acceptance rate of 90% last cycle, in part because they're growing.
This. For example, Arizona State has explicitly said their mission is to give all kinds of students opportunities so they want to be large and admit most applicants. As they put it, they want to be "measured not by whom it excludes, but by whom it includes and how they succeed"
Love ASU!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WVU - I have a daughter there in nursing and a son who just accepted. It's easy to get in, but harder to stay in. It's mission is for the students of WVa so it has to be easy to get into (their public schools aren't great and it's one of the poorest states.) So for OOS, it's not that expensive with automatic merit scholarships. It really weeds out the weak students the first year. Everyone pooh-poohs it on this forum but it's a great option for late bloomers (like my kids who only got serious Junior year about academics). I've met lots of successful people who went there and it actually has the most Rhodes Scholars of any school.
Where's the uva booster.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where you go to college doesn’t matter, it is what you do there. I guarantee you there are plenty of speciality surgeons making seven figures that did undergrad at state schools with high acceptance rates. The acceptance rate doesn’t matter.
Can we just make this a sticky?
Lots of people who make good 6 figure salaries from these schools as well. DH went to a state school with a 90% admit rate and I went to a commuter college. We make 500K together which is more money than I ever could have imagined.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where you go to college doesn’t matter, it is what you do there. I guarantee you there are plenty of speciality surgeons making seven figures that did undergrad at state schools with high acceptance rates. The acceptance rate doesn’t matter.
Can we just make this a sticky?