Anonymous wrote:I've always been so impressed by how she turned this horrible situation around into anti-bullying, anti-harassment awareness and has had such a great combo of humor and humility in all of her press appearances. Love her.

+100, I find it so inspiring. When I have gone through some very hard times in my life that involved other people treating me extremely disrespectfully and unkindly, I will sometimes think of her and how she has retained her sense of self worth through everything that happened and it helps me persevere. She was manipulated and abused by the president and then manipulated and used by the people who wanted to destroy him. And she is the one who comes out of it looking good while almost everyone else involved looks craven and bad.

I consider her a role model, which is amazing when I think about being 12/13 years old when the whole scandal came out and the things I heard the adults around me saying about her. She proved them all wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Sure "feminist". Like you would not consider her a victim if sex predator Bill (several well documented instances) was a Republican. You would in 2 seconds and you know it. Your hypocrisy says it all.

I’m a Dem, fwiw.

But I’m also an older Gen X woman who doesn’t think infantilizing women or not acknowledging their actions and choices is particularly feminist.

Monica wasn’t a child.

Most women—even young women—at that time had sufficient agency to avoid a situation that made them uncomfortable.

Im not condoning what he did, but I also don’t believe she was an unwilling party.

She was a young intern of VASTLY disproportionate power and experience.
It is likely she also did not know of Bill's previous incidents with other women.
Many young women are " willing parties" of abuse.
Its still abuse.

The affair partner she had previously, her teacher, had a wife who was absolutely devastated by the affair. That woman was abused. That woman was victimized. Monica was the co-conspirator. The wife wasn't some savvy political opportunist, like some might say about Hillary. She was a regular person who loved her husband. Monica did not care about her. And then she went on to do this with another married man. You don't want to blame her for all of this repugnant behavior? Cool, I guess. But then to take it further, and cry abuse? Give me a break.

All. Of. This.

Anonymous wrote:Can I just say that when I was her age successful, middle aged men who were married came on to me more than once and I turned them down immediately because I knew it was wrong.

I admire different things than most of you I guess.

Yep.

Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Sure "feminist". Like you would not consider her a victim if sex predator Bill (several well documented instances) was a Republican. You would in 2 seconds and you know it. Your hypocrisy says it all.

I’m a Dem, fwiw.

But I’m also an older Gen X woman who doesn’t think infantilizing women or not acknowledging their actions and choices is particularly feminist.

Monica wasn’t a child.

Most women—even young women—at that time had sufficient agency to avoid a situation that made them uncomfortable.

Im not condoning what he did, but I also don’t believe she was an unwilling party.

She was a young intern of VASTLY disproportionate power and experience.
It is likely she also did not know of Bill's previous incidents with other women.
Many young women are " willing parties" of abuse.
Its still abuse.

She was a well-educated woman (not girl) from Beverly Hills. She was savvy, not simple.

I knew plenty of young women who messed around with older married men…some at work. They weren’t victims. In fact, many of them strategically pursued certain men to advance their careers or simply enjoy the perks of dating a wealthy married man. This happened in the 80s and 90s. Routinely.

Anonymous wrote: And let's be honest - how many of us in our early 20s made perfect decisions all the time re: men? I know there are some things I did that I wish I could take back

I mean sure... I made some questionable decisions wrt men in my 20s, but I didn't pursue older, married people MULTIPLE TIMES. From what was shared regarding the Clinton affair, it was Lewinski who pursued Clinton. He initially tried to rebuff her. Clinton was 100% wrong to acquiesce. He should have recognized that there was a power imbalance even if she was the aggressor. I do not believe that Lewinski was a victim during the affair, but she sure as hell was a victim in the fallout. She did not have the maturity to understand what could happen if things went sideways. Clinton SHOULD have had that maturity, but clearly didn't.

I think she looks great in the campaign!

I didn't mention the previous mess with her teacher in my earlier post. But that is why I said she was a troubled young woman. She was seeking affirmation and attention - Bill readily gave it because she was an easy target for him. His middle aged butt should have known better. So, yes, there was a huge power differential and he was just using her. Yes, she ALSO should have known better, but I just don't know that she was mature enough to, despite her age. And let's be honest - how many of us in our early 20s made perfect decisions all the time re: men? I know there are some things I did that I wish I could take back

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Anonymous wrote:I am very confused why so many people are in her corner when the White House affair was NOT the first time she was the other woman.

She is savvy, that one.

Agree! It was a setup from the beginning. Who saves a dress with semen on it? Both parties were wrong in the affair but she’s the one who profits from it. And what great work has she done?

Oh come on! Like YOU send your clothes to the dry cleaner every time there is an unexpected ricochet & you get a little on a garment?

I’ve said since the beginning that if she had not produced the DNA on the blue dress, the Clinton machine would have painted her as a delusional nut job. They were already taking that path when the dress hit the scene. In retrospect, the sad outcome for Monica may not have been so bad without that incontrovertible proof. She was upset that Clinton didn’t address the affair in his book. And her comments suggest she’s still trying to emphasize that the affair was mutual, intellectual, and deep. I think that’s the saddest part—that she still cares that Clinton won’t admit that.

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Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Sure "feminist". Like you would not consider her a victim if sex predator Bill (several well documented instances) was a Republican. You would in 2 seconds and you know it. Your hypocrisy says it all.

I’m a Dem, fwiw.

But I’m also an older Gen X woman who doesn’t think infantilizing women or not acknowledging their actions and choices is particularly feminist.

Monica wasn’t a child.

Most women—even young women—at that time had sufficient agency to avoid a situation that made them uncomfortable.

Im not condoning what he did, but I also don’t believe she was an unwilling party.

She was a young intern of VASTLY disproportionate power and experience.
It is likely she also did not know of Bill's previous incidents with other women.
Many young women are " willing parties" of abuse.
Its still abuse.

The affair partner she had previously, her teacher, had a wife who was absolutely devastated by the affair. That woman was abused. That woman was victimized. Monica was the co-conspirator. The wife wasn't some savvy political opportunist, like some might say about Hillary. She was a regular person who loved her husband. Monica did not care about her. And then she went on to do this with another married man. You don't want to blame her for all of this repugnant behavior? Cool, I guess. But then to take it further, and cry abuse? Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Sure "feminist". Like you would not consider her a victim if sex predator Bill (several well documented instances) was a Republican. You would in 2 seconds and you know it. Your hypocrisy says it all.

I’m a Dem, fwiw.

But I’m also an older Gen X woman who doesn’t think infantilizing women or not acknowledging their actions and choices is particularly feminist.

Monica wasn’t a child.

Most women—even young women—at that time had sufficient agency to avoid a situation that made them uncomfortable.

Im not condoning what he did, but I also don’t believe she was an unwilling party.

She was a young intern of VASTLY disproportionate power and experience.
It is likely she also did not know of Bill's previous incidents with other women.
Many young women are " willing parties" of abuse.
Its still abuse.

The whole world knew he had affairs prior to being president. Of course she knew. And she had affairs herself prior to being an intern. She wasn’t innocent in any of this affair.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Sure "feminist". Like you would not consider her a victim if sex predator Bill (several well documented instances) was a Republican. You would in 2 seconds and you know it. Your hypocrisy says it all.

I’m a Dem, fwiw.

But I’m also an older Gen X woman who doesn’t think infantilizing women or not acknowledging their actions and choices is particularly feminist.

Monica wasn’t a child.

Most women—even young women—at that time had sufficient agency to avoid a situation that made them uncomfortable.

Im not condoning what he did, but I also don’t believe she was an unwilling party.

She was a young intern of VASTLY disproportionate power and experience.
It is likely she also did not know of Bill's previous incidents with other women.
Many young women are " willing parties" of abuse.
Its still abuse.

Anonymous wrote:I am very confused why so many people are in her corner when the White House affair was NOT the first time she was the other woman.

She is savvy, that one.

Agree! It was a setup from the beginning. Who saves a dress with semen on it? Both parties were wrong in the affair but she’s the one who profits from it. And what great work has she done?

Anonymous wrote:She looks fantastic…but she’s had significant plastic surgery over the years. Google it.

If true, that was some good plastic surgery.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She looks terrific!

But it’s interesting how she turned her victimhood into a career.

As a feminist, I recognized the power differential in the affair/scandal…but I saw her as a woman who made a choice, not a victim. Her name was dragged through the mud because of it, so she was a victim of bullying…but not sexual harassment in the traditional sense.

I don’t think she really wanted a husband and white picket fence. If she did, she could have gone that route (after all, she’s rich and beautiful). I think she has the life she wanted.

I wonder if the very public ad campaign was her final screw you to the Clintons? I mean, she looks gorgeous and is garnering positive attention.

Sure "feminist". Like you would not consider her a victim if sex predator Bill (several well documented instances) was a Republican. You would in 2 seconds and you know it. Your hypocrisy says it all.

I’m a Dem, fwiw.

But I’m also an older Gen X woman who doesn’t think infantilizing women or not acknowledging their actions and choices is particularly feminist.

Monica wasn’t a child.

Most women—even young women—at that time had sufficient agency to avoid a situation that made them uncomfortable.

Im not condoning what he did, but I also don’t believe she was an unwilling party.