“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

We are fortunate that Virginia offers lots of great choices; it doesn't mean "top students" (however that may be defined) are entitled to admission to the in-state school of their choice.

It should mean that though.. Even Virginia Tech favors OOS students. Admit rates for OOS is far higher than for in-state students.

Because OOS yield is so low. The actual student body is 2/3 Virginia students, a little higher % than UVA has. If you want them to be more VA-dominated, you'd need to lobby the state to impose limits. Like in CA the top UCs are 75% CA residents.

The top UC's are more than 80% in state residents.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

Exactly. All 3 great schools. I chose Tech for STEM. I have a liberal arts major kid that chose WM over UVA. And I have a son that prefers a bigger liberal arts school (not a stem major)--business that chose UVA.

It's fantastic that our state has so many great options and different types of school. At 6k kids and professors teaching all courses-- WM is effectively like a private SLAC for in-state prices.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a rejection from UVA in state is probably indicative of a rejection from Michigan. Sorry OP. If WL by UVA, I think your DC would still be in the game at Michigan.

Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.

I'm talking about in-state VA residents and VA HS^^

Anonymous wrote:I think a rejection from UVA in state is probably indicative of a rejection from Michigan. Sorry OP. If WL by UVA, I think your DC would still be in the game at Michigan.

Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.

But we are hearing that a lot of OOS were postponed/deferred at Michigan and will get in later. I think it’s worth not closing the door. What are the student’s stats? Major?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - I think she just wants to make a decision to be done with it.

Then go forward with the acceptance schools and change-up later if she happens to get into Michigan

+1 for most people a waitlist= a soft "no"

Anonymous wrote:OP here - I think she just wants to make a decision to be done with it.

Then go forward with the acceptance schools and change-up later if she happens to get into Michigan

Anonymous wrote:My kid was waitlisted at Michigan and rejected at UVA. Because she was waitlisted it makes me think there is a possibility. Is it worth waiting to see if she gets accepted in April, or should we just move forward with acceptances already received?

You should absolutely start moving forward with acceptances already received. Why wouldn't you?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

If it expanded, it would get watered down.

Not only would it be watered down, it would require investment that would be diverted from other schools, and expansion would have knock on effects on other schools at a time when the number of applicants is forecast to decline.

A couple of years ago, Virginia Tech significantly (and I believe unintentionally) overenrolled. This had a significant impact on schools like JMU and others that had to go deeper to fill their classes.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

We are fortunate that Virginia offers lots of great choices; it doesn't mean "top students" (however that may be defined) are entitled to admission to the in-state school of their choice.

It should mean that though.. Even Virginia Tech favors OOS students. Admit rates for OOS is far higher than for in-state students.

Because OOS yield is so low. The actual student body is 2/3 Virginia students, a little higher % than UVA has. If you want them to be more VA-dominated, you'd need to lobby the state to impose limits. Like in CA the top UCs are 75% CA residents.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

We are fortunate that Virginia offers lots of great choices; it doesn't mean "top students" (however that may be defined) are entitled to admission to the in-state school of their choice.

It should mean that though.. Even Virginia Tech favors OOS students. Admit rates for OOS is far higher than for in-state students.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

If it expanded, it would get watered down.

I agree. And W&M, while perhaps "not for everyone" is a better LAC environment alternative than UVA and VT is stronger in a number of areas of engineering. By and large, Virginia schools are complementary.

+1 essentially the top 3 in VA together serve the role of a huge flagship in other states.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

If it expanded, it would get watered down.

I agree. And W&M, while perhaps "not for everyone" is a better LAC environment alternative than UVA and VT is stronger in a number of areas of engineering. By and large, Virginia schools are complementary.

Anonymous wrote:Michigan is an easier admit for OOS Virginians applying. Michigan likes the $'s.

As a %, Michigan OOS admit rate is in the single digits. UVA's EA admit rate for in-state students is 25+% so obviously Michigan is more selective. However, the size of the school likely means that more kids are admitted to Michigan than UVA and gives the layperson the impression that Michigan is less selective than UVA, when it's clearly not.