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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

You obviously didn’t major in math in college.

Yield is about the percentage of admits to both who choose UVA. We’re not talking about raw numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

what does the size has anything to do in this mathematically?

If the two schools are pulling from the same pool of in-state kids with roughly the same stats and UVA has about 2.7X as many seats to fill, UVA has to have the higher yield because it needs to get over 7 out of 10 of them.

At my HS, the kids that went to W&M were UVA rejects, which colors my opinion.

My kid is out of state and has no interest in UVA only WM so that’s not always the case.

It's anecdotal but I was in state and we had lots of applicants to both and that's how it seemed.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

what does the size has anything to do in this mathematically?

If the two schools are pulling from the same pool of in-state kids with roughly the same stats and UVA has about 2.7X as many seats to fill, UVA has to have the higher yield because it needs to get over 7 out of 10 of them.

At my HS, the kids that went to W&M were UVA rejects, which colors my opinion.

My kid is out of state and has no interest in UVA only WM so that’s not always the case.

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Anonymous wrote:The pattern seems to be, the more selective the college, the higher the yield. Kind of makes sense.

Completely obvious.

Also who used restricted EA or ED… to boost their yield (Georgetown for one)

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

what does the size has anything to do in this mathematically?

If the two schools are pulling from the same pool of in-state kids with roughly the same stats and UVA has about 2.7X as many seats to fill, UVA has to have the higher yield because it needs to get over 7 out of 10 of them.

At my HS, the kids that went to W&M were UVA rejects, which colors my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

Once a school reaches a yield near 50%, it tells me that it is a school that applicants are dying to attend. UVA's combo of in state tuition and academic standing is a dynamic duo.

UVA also costs less to attend than William and Mary. For some families, the $2000 or so difference in annual costs may be negligible, but for us, it’s not.

It does vary by income. Up to $110K income, William and Mary has been less expensive.

https://tamingthehighcostofcollege.com/net-price-of-virginia-colleges-by-income/

Good point! I hadn’t realized William and Mary was the lower-cost choice for certain income bands. That’s an interesting resource. Thanks for sharing it.

If William and Mary increased their size a bit as well as the town center some more it would gain more popularity. Maybe also some more things associated with water nearby.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this is news to you OP? I would expect families choosing a range of schools are more likely to include one (or more) instate schools on their list as a financial option and as a backup.

hit send too soon

AND that the acceptance rates would need to account for this....if instate schools know that many of their accepted students are likely to attend elsewhere, they need to accept more to cover their enrollment. This is all simple logic and math. It also says nothing about the quality (or differential in quality) of these schools.

100%

As a parent, I insisted that my 2 kids applied to our state schools. In my case, it was Pitt and Penn State. They were each accepted to both schools, but neither attended. Simple decision to apply—I didn’t think or care about the college’s yield.

Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

Where will I find support for the premise that many in state students apply to both WM and UVA? Or maybe a link? Many kids I know attending one or the other did not apply to both. They are very different schools. And for WM, ED is raking in a huge (and growing) number of applicants. They are very different schools. If kids visit both before applying, they usually has a strong preference. I can only think of one student across both of my kids’ HS classes who had a choice between UVA and W&N in May.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

Once a school reaches a yield near 50%, it tells me that it is a school that applicants are dying to attend. UVA's combo of in state tuition and academic standing is a dynamic duo.

UVA also costs less to attend than William and Mary. For some families, the $2000 or so difference in annual costs may be negligible, but for us, it’s not.

It does vary by income. Up to $110K income, William and Mary has been less expensive.

https://tamingthehighcostofcollege.com/net-price-of-virginia-colleges-by-income/

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

what does the size has anything to do in this mathematically?

If the two schools are pulling from the same pool of in-state kids with roughly the same stats and UVA has about 2.7X as many seats to fill, UVA has to have the higher yield because it needs to get over 7 out of 10 of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

Once a school reaches a yield near 50%, it tells me that it is a school that applicants are dying to attend. UVA's combo of in state tuition and academic standing is a dynamic duo.

UVA also costs less to attend than William and Mary. For some families, the $2000 or so difference in annual costs may be negligible, but for us, it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

what does the size has anything to do in this mathematically?

Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.