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Anonymous wrote:I read UVA is switching to a 3 year McIntire program so that more students will apply. This makes no sense to me. They're already rejecting half of those that apply? Are they trying to make it even harder to get in so that the IB and MBB think that UVA is prestigious?

Also, because they are going to allow kids to apply after one year, they think high school grades and scores will carry more weight. Then why not direct admit like other schools? Why pay $40K to $80K for a degree that was never your first choice?

We're in the same boat, and I just feel like UVA is playing games because they can. They're not even transparent on who they let in to McIntire. The GPA range is between 2.5 to 4.0, so who exactly is getting into McIntire with a 2.5? They use a "holistic" approach so it's not clear. You can get into McIntire as a transfer student from community college. And the external transfer rates is no different from the admission rates into the school.

UVA is good if you want to be at MBB or IB as an undergraduate, but you need McIntire for that. If you're okay with Econ and being in the financial services that aren't MBB or IB, then UVA is an option. But you will eventually need grad school and can get to MBB or IB through grad school.

There's nothing special about MBB, either. It's highly competitive mostly to brand themselves for management consulting projects. It's a lot of long hours all year round. MBB revenues total less than the Big 4 consulting. It's probably more cost effective to hire from a limited number if schools too. I think people are just feeding into the frenzy of this strange dynamic created by the MBB and IB branding.

Final answer on which is the right choice depends on a lot of factors. They're all good options, but it really depends on who you are, where you are, and where you want to be, which is a lot to figure out at 18.

This is why UVA is switching to a three year program. Makes perfect sense. https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2023/09/commerce-school-introduces-three-year-program-largely-garners-student-support

Actually, it’s quite clear. It says that the mean GPA (college) for accepted students is a 3.74. That or above is what you want to aim for. You know who are the rare 2.5s. That figure is irrelevant . The mean is what us important. all right here. https://experience.mcintire.virginia.edu/bs-commerce-admissions-statistics/ https://experience.mcintire.virginia.edu/bs-commerce-admissions-statistics/

Anonymous wrote:I read UVA is switching to a 3 year McIntire program so that more students will apply. This makes no sense to me. They're already rejecting half of those that apply? Are they trying to make it even harder to get in so that the IB and MBB think that UVA is prestigious?

Also, because they are going to allow kids to apply after one year, they think high school grades and scores will carry more weight. Then why not direct admit like other schools? Why pay $40K to $80K for a degree that was never your first choice?

We're in the same boat, and I just feel like UVA is playing games because they can. They're not even transparent on who they let in to McIntire. The GPA range is between 2.5 to 4.0, so who exactly is getting into McIntire with a 2.5? They use a "holistic" approach so it's not clear. You can get into McIntire as a transfer student from community college. And the external transfer rates is no different from the admission rates into the school.

UVA is good if you want to be at MBB or IB as an undergraduate, but you need McIntire for that. If you're okay with Econ and being in the financial services that aren't MBB or IB, then UVA is an option. But you will eventually need grad school and can get to MBB or IB through grad school.

There's nothing special about MBB, either. It's highly competitive mostly to brand themselves for management consulting projects. It's a lot of long hours all year round. MBB revenues total less than the Big 4 consulting. It's probably more cost effective to hire from a limited number if schools too. I think people are just feeding into the frenzy of this strange dynamic created by the MBB and IB branding.

Final answer on which is the right choice depends on a lot of factors. They're all good options, but it really depends on who you are, where you are, and where you want to be, which is a lot to figure out at 18.

This is why UVA is switching to a three year program. Makes perfect sense. https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2023/09/commerce-school-introduces-three-year-program-largely-garners-student-support

I read UVA is switching to a 3 year McIntire program so that more students will apply. This makes no sense to me. They're already rejecting half of those that apply? Are they trying to make it even harder to get in so that the IB and MBB think that UVA is prestigious?

Also, because they are going to allow kids to apply after one year, they think high school grades and scores will carry more weight. Then why not direct admit like other schools? Why pay $40K to $80K for a degree that was never your first choice?

We're in the same boat, and I just feel like UVA is playing games because they can. They're not even transparent on who they let in to McIntire. The GPA range is between 2.5 to 4.0, so who exactly is getting into McIntire with a 2.5? They use a "holistic" approach so it's not clear. You can get into McIntire as a transfer student from community college. And the external transfer rates is no different from the admission rates into the school.

UVA is good if you want to be at MBB or IB as an undergraduate, but you need McIntire for that. If you're okay with Econ and being in the financial services that aren't MBB or IB, then UVA is an option. But you will eventually need grad school and can get to MBB or IB through grad school.

There's nothing special about MBB, either. It's highly competitive mostly to brand themselves for management consulting projects. It's a lot of long hours all year round. MBB revenues total less than the Big 4 consulting. It's probably more cost effective to hire from a limited number if schools too. I think people are just feeding into the frenzy of this strange dynamic created by the MBB and IB branding.

Final answer on which is the right choice depends on a lot of factors. They're all good options, but it really depends on who you are, where you are, and where you want to be, which is a lot to figure out at 18.

Anonymous wrote:UVA Econ. I suspect OP is asking because there isn't direct admit to McIntire, so looking for fallback. I believe, and you'll want to fact check this if you can, that students of any major can submit a resume to interview on-campus with finance employers. You'll need to have good grades and applicable experience, and maybe some other relevant classes if you can, to score interviews with top finance employers. But they are at least coming, as opposed to MD/VT, where they are not coming.

Re: the bolded - what on earth are you talking about? One of the most stupid claims I've seen here.

UVA no 1 public for top paying jobs in finance per the Wall Street Journal just last year. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-finance-jobs-e6742bb8

My kid is a double major at UVA (Bio-Chem, Econ). They didn’t go the McIntire route because they like the advanced financial theory and econometric coursework of the pure Econ w/Finance concentration. Some of required coursework for the com degree didn’t interest them, would have been unnecessary extra work and didn’t make sense with the intensity of the Bio-Chem coursework. Kid love’s the Econ department, profs are outstanding, and they are challenged in the best way.

They have many friends at McIntire and they love their experience, are getting great internships and will have many great opportunities. Same goes with the straight Econ degree, you really can’t go wrong. If your kid doesn’t get into McIntire, it’s still a great program that will provide a great space to learn and offer great opportunities. Just now the strait Econ programs are very theory oriented and a lot of math.

Lastly, if your kid is drawn to Charlottesville and Grounds than they most likely have a great time there. This is my second there and they both loved every second of their time there. The University/Community vibe is outstanding. Good luck!