Anonymous
02/07/2024 12:53
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.
You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.
Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.
And my perspective and logic is that our councilmembers get very excited about 'long term solutions' to poverty, crime etc and very wan and feeble about short term solutions. They know that the long term solutions have zero accountability I think.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 12:51
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.
You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.
Not sure what's unclear. You can have a view from the inside of how ineffective an organization is. Have you never experienced that on the job? I worked--there were parts that were rewarding, and parts that were as I describe above. Not for profits and government do goodery in our town are basically employment programs for those who work in them. I should know.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 12:47
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
The Home Rule Act is not that long, you could read it.
Congress has a period of UP TO 30 or 60 days to review depending on the type of bill. It does not mandate they wait 59 days before reviewing criminal legislation. Lol. Y'all are reaching now.
Congress has a period of UP TO 30 or 60 days to review depending on the type of bill. It does not mandate they wait 59 days before reviewing criminal legislation. Lol. Y'all are reaching now.
Anonymous
Anonymous
02/07/2024 12:33
Subject: Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Pinto wanted it passed in January. Congress could have fast tracked it.
Council slow rolled so it could be rendered ineffective and so activist groups could launch pr campaigns against the bill.
That's the reality. Some CM wanted provisions re: increased pre-trial detention to sunset very quickly. Their goals are clear.
I'm not aware of a way for Congress can fast track the 60 day for changes to the crime-related portions of DC law. Do you have any examples?
Anonymous
02/07/2024 12:23
Subject: Crime Bill today?
Pinto wanted it passed in January. Congress could have fast tracked it.
Council slow rolled so it could be rendered ineffective and so activist groups could launch pr campaigns against the bill.
That's the reality. Some CM wanted provisions re: increased pre-trial detention to sunset very quickly. Their goals are clear.
Council slow rolled so it could be rendered ineffective and so activist groups could launch pr campaigns against the bill.
That's the reality. Some CM wanted provisions re: increased pre-trial detention to sunset very quickly. Their goals are clear.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 12:20
Subject: Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Frumin questioned if DNA collection is too invasive? What the what?
Do you think he’s anticipating becoming justice-involved? DNA on dollar bills?
Nah. But DNA can be left on pickle ball rackets.
😂
OMG Hilarious!
So what is going on with the bill? It is the one shred of hope I am holding on to.
DO I need to start calling and emailing all the council members... again??
The bill has been significantly watered down. The first vote was yesterday. The second vote has been pushed to possibly March. I assume they will further weaken the bill in the interim. Medo mentioned working with "national groups" on the bill but when asked, he declined to name them.
March!?
It won’t be law until late July because of DC’s second class status and the need for a 60 working day congressional review.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:46
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.
You work in youth services but it's ineffective? So you're ineffective?? I'm trying to follow your perspective and logic, but don't get it.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:45
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
pro tip: what DC is currently doing IS NOT WORKING. Baltimore is doing the opposite and homicides are plummeting.
There are several news articles summarizing the changes in the bill. Easy to Google.
More changes may be made, they are delaying so much for a reason. Could have been voted on in January, as Pinto wanted, and taking effect. Delays = time for outside activists to weaken.
Thank you. I guess my question is--is this a true delay? Ie nothing takes effect different from the current status quo until second vote IN MARCH? In that case when I call I will inquire as to where the urgency is (SHAME ON THEM!), and urge zero dilution. Thanks for clarifying.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:43
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
OK, I am going to be really clear. I am, and have always been, pro 'broken windows' approach to crime. I've worked in DC youth services and I am fine with measure to prevent cycles of violence long term. However, we have actually already been doing this forever just fwiw, and I don't think DC does it particularly well, and I don't think the more recently introduced social justice approach to crime in DC of the past four years is effective short OR long term or of benefit to any community. It's been a disaster, that will inculcate further disaster. SO in terms of what works to keep my city and me safe, I am fine with normal policing and sentencing measures and we are FAR FROM THAT. I've watched the Council dilute all consequences with horror, and they have been one of the contributing factors to our current woes. We need a course correction now. They can keep doing the same poor job throwing money at social services, but their tinkering with the justice system needs to stop. If anything, they need to over correct on this, as well as examine why their long term social 'helping' measures are so d** ineffective and frankly, lacking in transparency and accountability. Why isn't friendship place ever open? But it's sexier to just keep stripping the public of basic protections that do work, I guess. Just to make a point that's lost on most of us, except that crowd in t-shirts heckling at the vote on Secure DC. Charming bunch, that. Anyhow, I hope I am clear on my flavor of 'anti-crime'.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:32
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
pro tip: what DC is currently doing IS NOT WORKING. Baltimore is doing the opposite and homicides are plummeting.
There are several news articles summarizing the changes in the bill. Easy to Google.
More changes may be made, they are delaying so much for a reason. Could have been voted on in January, as Pinto wanted, and taking effect. Delays = time for outside activists to weaken.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:29
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:I'm confused though...
Can anyone clarify before I pick up the phone? I am pro anti crime measures--is there anything I need to advocate for at this point? Are you saying there will be significant (crime friendly) changes introduced before the second vote? Does the Tuesday vote not put the bill in effect? I agree DC needs urgency on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/2841628/dc-council-passes-crime-omnibus-passes-first-vote/
Everyone is pro anti crime. It's just different people see different ways to do that. You can also look up data on what actually works.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:29
Subject: Crime Bill today?
Did they remove the police's authority to chase suspects in a vehicle in cases of imminent danger to the public?
This is a really big one they need to implement.
This is a really big one they need to implement.
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:22
Subject: Crime Bill today?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Frumin questioned if DNA collection is too invasive? What the what?
Do you think he’s anticipating becoming justice-involved? DNA on dollar bills?
Nah. But DNA can be left on pickle ball rackets.
😂
OMG Hilarious!
So what is going on with the bill? It is the one shred of hope I am holding on to.
DO I need to start calling and emailing all the council members... again??
The bill has been significantly watered down. The first vote was yesterday. The second vote has been pushed to possibly March. I assume they will further weaken the bill in the interim. Medo mentioned working with "national groups" on the bill but when asked, he declined to name them.
March!?
Anonymous
02/07/2024 11:15
Subject: Re:Crime Bill today?
This article says it passed first vote ^. Thanks to anyone that can clarify...