Anonymous wrote:The higher ranked schools don't track demonstrated interest. I am the person who posted about ND. Their motivation is twofold. They want to get a strong yield, but they also want a student population that gets ND. Hence the reason for the "Why Notre Dame" essay that is required each year.

this is such a ND response. you do know that every T100 school asks for a Why Us essay every year?

The higher ranked schools don't track demonstrated interest. I am the person who posted about ND. Their motivation is twofold. They want to get a strong yield, but they also want a student population that gets ND. Hence the reason for the "Why Notre Dame" essay that is required each year.

I'd imagine yes it is because it is a reflection of a great admissions team.

Schools ranked 1-20 dont yield protect.


Schools ranked 75-450 don't yield protect.

But there are some schools in that narrow band of 20-75 that do have to think about enrollment management. These are also the schools that give a big bump to ED applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

What if the school doesn't care about Demonstrated Interest? And do you honestly think a kid that's already applied for 10+ schools and gotten into several (but may not have visited all of them) suddenly didn't write a good essay for this particular school?

BTW, the bolded part of your sentence is EXACTLY what Yield Protection is!

Yes that is the exact definition. However, it is up to your student to convince each and every school that they are #1 for your kid. Thru essays, visits, online visits, inquiries, interviews, etc.

For my kid at a school that yield protects (right outside T25 and known for being the fallback for T25 wanna-be's), that school values the interview. So we visited during summer and immediately scheduled an interview the same day as our tour, for the next week. Because that is how you demonstrate interest---my kid could talk about the school while it was all fresh for them and try to show why it was their #1 choice. They school values the interview process precisely so they can find out who actually would attend.

Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

Bingo!

My kid's top 2 final choices are colleges that get listed for "yield protecting" (especially one of them). Why? Because the campus is filled with T25/Ivy wanna-bees! These kids have the stats/resume to be competitive at those schools but didn't win the outright lottery. Oh and both of these schools are also in areas where "most kids are not that excited to attend---most didn't pick the school for the geographical location". For 60-70% of kids this was not their Top choice. They all applied to 2-3 T25 schools. However, most got WL or sophomore year start at at least 1 of those T 25 choices (my kid and ALL of their friends had this occur). Had most of those kids gotten an outright acceptance at one of those schools, they'd 99.999% be at that school.

The schools know a competitive candidate for "higher schools" and if you want to get admission to a slightly lower school you MUST demonstrate extreme interest. For my kid, where they landed was their 2nd choice, but in their heart I think it was actually their top choice and best fit for them ---but they applied ED1 to a T10 in a more desirable location/my alma mater and it's an amazing school. But they ended up at what was probably truly the best choice for them.
But they worked hard to show demonstrated interest at both of those schools, because we knew the T10 was a crap shoot. In return they got into both schools with good merit.

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Anonymous wrote:The only schools that "yield protect" are those that rejected your kid.

This is just not true. I can think of at least 4 scattergrams off the top of my head that show obvious yield protection.

Absolutely. Top LACs yield protect 100 percent. T10 is less obvious to me. I see Cornell yield protecting too.

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Anonymous wrote:Admissions is not about validating your kid. It’s about filling dorms and classrooms and balancing the operating budget.

Without yield management, most schools would be careening wildly from too many kids (housing crisis!!) to too few kids (financial crisis!!). Any school not bouncing from crisis to crisis is engaged in some form of responsible yield management.

You throw out "yield management" all the time here, but you can't be ignorant to the fact that "yield protection" is a specific practice of not accepting the top stats kids. Those are different things.

Not accepting top stats kids that the university believes WILL NOT ATTEND. In the end, the university needs to put Y students in the freshman class on campus in the fall. Not Y+500 or less than Y. So their goal is to accept students who will actually matriculate. If your top stat kid doesn't show demonstrated interest and convice them you will attend, you might not get accepted. Very simple.

Anonymous wrote:Well: Case had a moment with my kid of, “hey waitlister! You know, IF we admit you, we’ll give you a sh*tton of merit aid! Whaddaya think about THAT?”

Along with weekly checkins to stay on the list: had to check off one of (a) Case is my first choice! I will TOTALLY accept an offer! (b) I’m still, uh, deciding (c) F*ck off. Took kid a few weeks to go from (b) to (c), and checking that last box was a pleasure.

If your kid truly wanted to be at Case, they would have checked of A and would have gone from WL to accepted.

Anonymous wrote:Schools I guess try, but it still is hard. Clemson, JMU, Case Western, etc try to yield protect (maybe) yet their yields are all less than 20%…so maybe they don’t?

Case definately "yield protects". But it's challenging. Visit case, talk to students there. It's a running joke that it's everyone's 2nd/3rd/4th choice--it's not most kids top choice. 75-80% of the students (so it seems) top choices were in the T25/30==those kids would be attending one of those had they gotten admission. That means they had the resume to get in, but didn't win the lottery.
Case knows that--they are a "excellent backup in a location many are not thrilled about" for many high stats students. They know they have a yield protection issue. So yes, if they think your kid is not that interested and is using them as a backup, they will defer or WL. I don't view yield protection as a bad thing---it's up to your kid to convince a top school that your kid really wants to attend. Ultimately, the school wants to have X students enroll in the fall (not X-500 or X+500 but X or as close to it as possible, maybe go over a bit). They pull the you did EA, if you switch to ED2 here is what your merit/FA package would look like. Are you willing to switch? It's them saying "we want you, but only if you will commit to attend, otherwise we think you might get in elsewhere and go there"

Well Harvard has EA and typically defers over 70% of those students. Being a T5 school, they know that majority who get accepted will matriculate. With these deferrals, they can now offer admission in RD to many students who were EA. This means they know majority will accept---they already signaled they really wanted to attend Harvard

Same with ED at any of the other T5 schools. If you defer most of ED to RD, the school knows that majority accepted will ultimately attend. So yield can be really high.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

Some of the 1600 kids never applied to Top 10 because it's too expensive for them (maybe donut-hole family)

That's fine...then that kid would have showed LSU that they really want to attend LSU.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

What if the school doesn't care about Demonstrated Interest? And do you honestly think a kid that's already applied for 10+ schools and gotten into several (but may not have visited all of them) suddenly didn't write a good essay for this particular school?

BTW, the bolded part of your sentence is EXACTLY what Yield Protection is!

No s**t...that is why I called it yield protection.

There are plenty of instances where kids completely phone in the "Why university X question". They don't mention anything unique to the school, or a program, etc.

I mean, it is entirely possible that when a kid applies to 15 schools, they are only really interested in 8 of them, and those applications are much better than the remaining 7.

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ok, "better applicants"

Perhaps on paper, but not necessarily in the classrooms, dorms, clubs, athletic events etc. Additionally, all schools need to balance students across majors. So many kids are applying for engineering or computer science - of course they're going to get wait listed or rejected. There just aren't enough seats in those departments to meet the current demand. Major is just as important as stats, but people don't want to acknowledge that so they cry yield protection or discrimination when their kid isn't admitted.

Ok so no such thing as yield protection. ok that's at least consistent.

Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

Some of the 1600 kids never applied to Top 10 because it's too expensive for them (maybe donut-hole family)