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Anonymous wrote:Are the above PPs parents of girls only? I have a boy who is and will be well above average due to luck and privilege. But I can’t imagine being so cavalier and dismissive of other boy parents.

Give me a call when the President and Vice President are both women, the Supreme Court are all women, Wall Street and industry are led by women, the military, science, academia, medicine, etc.

Boys are fine. Even mediocre boys and men are advantaged over women.

No kidding.

Not getting all the Ritalin hate. My (boy) had a terrible time in school until he started meds in 5th or 6th. I mean, hated school, would cry before school, etc. Finding the right medication, dosage, and timing--which we have had to adjust now and then--has helped him so much, and he is totally aware of that. He understands that he's not dumb or bad, he just has trouble focusing and schoolwork requires focus so when he needs to focus then he takes medication that helps him do that. He's in 11th grade now and felt confident enough this year to take two AP classes, which is something he could not have imagined himself doing in middle school when all he wanted to do was drop out as soon as he turned 16.

Anonymous wrote:Does excelling academically from a young age actually help girls? No matter how well girls do in school, they run into the same roadblocks in their careers, and the correlation between slightly higher grades and test scores, and professional success, just isn't there.

I mean, if we want to talk about whether boys are less happy than they used to be, or struggling more with executive function, I think that's an interesting conversation. But the fact that boys, on average, lag behind girls in school? I don't think it really impacts them much, and I think the pressure on girls to excel at school can be negative.

I wouldn't say the kids are all right, but I don't lose sleep over the fact that boys are getting slightly lower grades and test scores than girls in K-12.

Because excelling academically often means just reciting the same old BS the teacher tells you or memorizing a bunch of facts. Big whoop.

Women often miss the bigger picture. They always, allllways want higher powered jobs and leadership positions, but they always want someone else to do all of the hard grunt work of building a business from the ground up. Sorry, that's not the way the world works. You can be a straight A student all you want, but the risk takers in the world are going to be far more rewarded with innovation and building companies. It's really, really hard to be CEO or president of a company of all you do your whole life is go to school, get good grades, and try to climb the corporate ladder. If you want to be in charge and hold power, you need to be the person who actually builds the company from scratch. The problem is that women are often way more risk adverse than men. Numerous studies have shown that to be true in the investment world. It works well when it comes to investing in the stock market, but far more women than men want to take the risk of putting their life savings and homes on the line to start a company. And you wonder why later on there are less women in charge? Take more risk and stop whining. It's a dog eat dog world. There's very little reward for being a mindless Yes man or woman who obeys all of the rules doed what they're told in life. At most that might get you to middle management or director level roles, that's about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the above PPs parents of girls only? I have a boy who is and will be well above average due to luck and privilege. But I can’t imagine being so cavalier and dismissive of other boy parents.

Nope, I have a boy. Mine doesn't have privilege but very involved parents who make sure everything is ok.

Very involved parents yet you're pretending he doesn't have privilege? Do you know what the word even means?

Boys will be fine. Workplace rewards concentration on one or two important things and they are good at that.
At my job, men only do things that are directly related to getting money. There are plenty of things that need to be done that are part of the job, but not directly related to getting paid.
Even if we, women, stop doing those things not related to getting paid, the manager will tell US to do them because then they know it gets done. If we complain, they will tell men, but it goes right back to what it was. Men do have an excuse- they don't notice details.
In DC's elementary school boys are the ones who score better and it had been so since grade 2. 4th grader just confirmed it.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, men still run the g*d d*mn world.

Because you make the classic and fallacious assumption that hard work and conformity should pay off. You are woefully naive. Men run everything because many studies over the years have shown that men are far more willing to take risk. That risk includes things like starting businesses and engaging in entrepreneurship. You’re not going to be compensated a ton because you’re a good worker bee who followed all of the rules, obeyed all of their teachers, and does their corporate job from 9-5 well. This country has always rewarded risk takers, entrepreneurs, and inventors more than the conformist drones who do everything someone else told them to do in life.

So it’s not grades so why the concern?

Agree that the concerns may be somewhat overblown. At the same time, however, there are still going to be millions of conformist men who don't take risk. They still need appropriate levels of education.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, men still run the g*d d*mn world.

Because you make the classic and fallacious assumption that hard work and conformity should pay off. You are woefully naive. Men run everything because many studies over the years have shown that men are far more willing to take risk. That risk includes things like starting businesses and engaging in entrepreneurship. You’re not going to be compensated a ton because you’re a good worker bee who followed all of the rules, obeyed all of their teachers, and does their corporate job from 9-5 well. This country has always rewarded risk takers, entrepreneurs, and inventors more than the conformist drones who do everything someone else told them to do in life.

So it’s not grades so why the concern?

Anonymous wrote:Does excelling academically from a young age actually help girls? No matter how well girls do in school, they run into the same roadblocks in their careers, and the correlation between slightly higher grades and test scores, and professional success, just isn't there.

I mean, if we want to talk about whether boys are less happy than they used to be, or struggling more with executive function, I think that's an interesting conversation. But the fact that boys, on average, lag behind girls in school? I don't think it really impacts them much, and I think the pressure on girls to excel at school can be negative.

I wouldn't say the kids are all right, but I don't lose sleep over the fact that boys are getting slightly lower grades and test scores than girls in K-12.

There is plenty of information about post high school for boys and men. Since you have somehow never heard any of this, I'll post some of it later.

Or you could be curious about the future for girls and boys yourself and look at these issues. Guess not.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, men still run the g*d d*mn world.

Because you make the classic and fallacious assumption that hard work and conformity should pay off. You are woefully naive. Men run everything because many studies over the years have shown that men are far more willing to take risk. That risk includes things like starting businesses and engaging in entrepreneurship. You’re not going to be compensated a ton because you’re a good worker bee who followed all of the rules, obeyed all of their teachers, and does their corporate job from 9-5 well. This country has always rewarded risk takers, entrepreneurs, and inventors more than the conformist drones who do everything someone else told them to do in life.

Yeah, just look at all the successful carjackers in the DMV! Bunch of risk takers.

Thank Democrats for that risk:reward calculation.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, men still run the g*d d*mn world.

Because you make the classic and fallacious assumption that hard work and conformity should pay off. You are woefully naive. Men run everything because many studies over the years have shown that men are far more willing to take risk. That risk includes things like starting businesses and engaging in entrepreneurship. You’re not going to be compensated a ton because you’re a good worker bee who followed all of the rules, obeyed all of their teachers, and does their corporate job from 9-5 well. This country has always rewarded risk takers, entrepreneurs, and inventors more than the conformist drones who do everything someone else told them to do in life.

Yeah, just look at all the successful carjackers in the DMV! Bunch of risk takers.

There is no risk since there is no disincentive.

Eh the study starts with arbitrary teacher assessments and then moves to self selected test assessments, and it even admits girls may be doing better in computing and STEM subjects because there are fewer of them and the fewer have self selected in (and same is true of boys doing better in modern language assessments). So, I wouldn’t put too much into this study. Lots of variables here.

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s that we cannot let them play outside unattended, for fear of having CPS called. What’s worse, is that there are so few peers to play with in the neighborhood. They’re in after-care.

The after-care is where the play happens. I really don’t understand my friends who complain that our afterschool program isn’t academic enough. I feel like it’s the one last protected space where our kids just get to hang out and play together with not much meddling from adults but adequate supervision so they don’t hurt themselves.

Boys run faster and no one pitches a hissy fit.

Raising children need consistency. Most working parents who help out at home realize home life is more complex than a job, even an innovative one. Men need to get off the addictions and stop worrying about the females and build a better life of themselves. The rest will fall into place.

Anonymous wrote:And yet, men still run the g*d d*mn world.

Because you make the classic and fallacious assumption that hard work and conformity should pay off. You are woefully naive. Men run everything because many studies over the years have shown that men are far more willing to take risk. That risk includes things like starting businesses and engaging in entrepreneurship. You’re not going to be compensated a ton because you’re a good worker bee who followed all of the rules, obeyed all of their teachers, and does their corporate job from 9-5 well. This country has always rewarded risk takers, entrepreneurs, and inventors more than the conformist drones who do everything someone else told them to do in life.