Anonymous wrote:I don’t know but the article says “School officials could not guarantee its accuracy.”

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

"The information that the schools sent is self-reported by students"

So? It's probably more accurate than anything MCPS would report. I stand by the accuracy based on checking other sources. All I can say was pulling my kid out of public middle school opened up a door that would have been sealed shut had he stayed.

That doesn't mean other top schools prefer his HS over others. It's just that this particular school likes students from this private. We knew this and we planned accordingly, and the strategy worked.

DP. Interesting. Can you share the other sources?

Consistent with the Instagram reports that were shared (also by students) for two years in a row.

So consistent with the same sources? How is that useful?

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Anonymous wrote:There are still plenty of families in DC who can afford private schools without blinking. Why do you think the real estate market here is still so strong? My guess is actually simpler, public schools frown on absences. Those applicants are more likely to schedule tours and interviews on days when DCPS or MCPS are closed.

I don't think so. There are a lot using credit cards, equity lines, family help, etc. One family emergency and it's a wrap. There will be a tipping point and people will just stop paying and donating.

This an interesting thing to consider.
We make $400-450K and have several kids at Big3 schools and we are some of the only people we know in this income bracket at either school. We came from public and know countless families around this bracket with kids in public schools: DCPS, MCPS, FCPS.
The under $500K HHI bracket (like us) will pull out of private if tuition escalates or never send their kids in the first place. It just doesn't make sense at some point.

The 500K and up bracket at our privates (and in most cases the HHI is FAR above $500K) is at least half the families in these schools and these people don't worry about tuition increases. I mean, they may be annoyed by an increase but $55K vs. $50K (or even 85K vs $50K--if it comes to that in 10 years) is really nothing at all.
So the question really is, what is your pool of families with household incomes above $500K that have young children or older children who are currently using public? This (broadly speaking--with some outliers) are your potential applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

"The information that the schools sent is self-reported by students"

So? It's probably more accurate than anything MCPS would report. I stand by the accuracy based on checking other sources. All I can say was pulling my kid out of public middle school opened up a door that would have been sealed shut had he stayed.

That doesn't mean other top schools prefer his HS over others. It's just that this particular school likes students from this private. We knew this and we planned accordingly, and the strategy worked.

DP. Interesting. Can you share the other sources?

Consistent with the Instagram reports that were shared (also by students) for two years in a row.

So consistent with the same sources? How is that useful?

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

"The information that the schools sent is self-reported by students"

So? It's probably more accurate than anything MCPS would report. I stand by the accuracy based on checking other sources. All I can say was pulling my kid out of public middle school opened up a door that would have been sealed shut had he stayed.

That doesn't mean other top schools prefer his HS over others. It's just that this particular school likes students from this private. We knew this and we planned accordingly, and the strategy worked.

DP. Interesting. Can you share the other sources?

Consistent with the Instagram reports that were shared (also by students) for two years in a row.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

"The information that the schools sent is self-reported by students"

So? It's probably more accurate than anything MCPS would report. I stand by the accuracy based on checking other sources. All I can say was pulling my kid out of public middle school opened up a door that would have been sealed shut had he stayed.

That doesn't mean other top schools prefer his HS over others. It's just that this particular school likes students from this private. We knew this and we planned accordingly, and the strategy worked.

DP. Interesting. Can you share the other sources?

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Anonymous wrote:There are still plenty of families in DC who can afford private schools without blinking. Why do you think the real estate market here is still so strong? My guess is actually simpler, public schools frown on absences. Those applicants are more likely to schedule tours and interviews on days when DCPS or MCPS are closed.

I don't think so. There are a lot using credit cards, equity lines, family help, etc. One family emergency and it's a wrap. There will be a tipping point and people will just stop paying and donating.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

"The information that the schools sent is self-reported by students"

So? It's probably more accurate than anything MCPS would report. I stand by the accuracy based on checking other sources. All I can say was pulling my kid out of public middle school opened up a door that would have been sealed shut had he stayed.

That doesn't mean other top schools prefer his HS over others. It's just that this particular school likes students from this private. We knew this and we planned accordingly, and the strategy worked.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

"The information that the schools sent is self-reported by students"

Anonymous wrote:There are still plenty of families in DC who can afford private schools without blinking. Why do you think the real estate market here is still so strong? My guess is actually simpler, public schools frown on absences. Those applicants are more likely to schedule tours and interviews on days when DCPS or MCPS are closed.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?

Nope. https://moco360.media/2022/09/13/here-are-the-colleges-where-bethesda-area-high-school-grads-applied-got-accepted-and-enrolled/

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

Like you were sitting there in Mass on a Sunday morning thinking about it, and bam, the realization struck you?

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yes, it was a particularly dreary homily.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

Like you were sitting there in Mass on a Sunday morning thinking about it, and bam, the realization struck you?

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Anonymous wrote:I bet the public school applicants will continue to trend down, especially at the elite, $55k schools.

The word is increasingly out that college admissions for a smart but unhooked kid are better from DCPS than they are for the same kid at Sidwell, NCS, etc. Plus you have to work your a$$ off through all of high school at these privates. I had kids come from DCPS and this is definitely what people are talking about and coming to realize in mass. These are close communities, neighborhoods and communities--word travels.

STJ is sort of it's own animal--it will always get a bunch of families who are skittish about Jackson Reed and figure that paying under $23k for the guarantee of order in the classroom is worth it. Interestingly, some of these kids end up transferring out to JR later in high school.

LOL, so you really think a college is going to have preference for a public school kid who coasted through HS vs a private school kid who "works his a$$ off through all of high school." Colleges know that kids coming out of schools like Sidwell are significantly more prepared for the rigors of college. Sorry, but your your statement is not very convincing at all.

yes. if you don't believe this then you have your head in the sand. Colleges LOVE kids from Walls and Jackson Reed. They love them. It is far, far easier to get in unhooked to top 50 colleges from Jackson Reed or Walls in 2023 than from NCS or Sidwell. If you don't believe this, go talk to the parent of a senior at your Big3. Go talk to college counseling.
I wish this wasn't the case. My kids left DCPS for Big3 schools. They're now learning twice as much and they are doing well. But I know 100% that they would have gone to better colleges out of DCPS. We're applying to colleges now. Their friends who were mediocre students in middle school and barely studied in high school have better college options and are getting into better schools.
I agree this seems unjust (shouldn't the kids who are better prepared be more prized by colleges?) but it is reality.

That wasn't our experience in our non big 3 HS. The smart kids will do well and that doesn't necessarily mean an ivy league school. Honestly, my very high stats kid with a 1580 SAT and 4.3 GPA who already graduated didn't even want to apply to any ivies. We toured Yale and he was underwhelmed. He ended up at his top 20 dream school and is thriving. I did the calculations of admits vs applications for his university out of our zoned public HS (a "W" school), and the results were abysmal. Acceptance rate that was about a third of the universal acceptance rate (about 6% vs 15%).

So you made up data?