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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

Just to be clear, your FP kid was deferred and rejected ED, but got into Williams RD (which is like next to impossible)? It’s just implausible to me, why would they reject a high stats full pay kid ED?

Correct. This is what happened.

Like I say, our best guess is that Bates didn’t want to build a class out of a particular kind of kid, but that’s just conjecture.

Re-reading with some coffee in my system. To clarify, I can’t say for sure if the RD decision from Bates was a waitlist or a rejection. But it was definitely an ED deferral followed by an RD non-acceptance.

Can you give a sense of the applicant’s stats?

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

Just to be clear, your FP kid was deferred and rejected ED, but got into Williams RD (which is like next to impossible)? It’s just implausible to me, why would they reject a high stats full pay kid ED?

Correct. This is what happened.

Like I say, our best guess is that Bates didn’t want to build a class out of a particular kind of kid, but that’s just conjecture.

Re-reading with some coffee in my system. To clarify, I can’t say for sure if the RD decision from Bates was a waitlist or a rejection. But it was definitely an ED deferral followed by an RD non-acceptance.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

Just to be clear, your FP kid was deferred and rejected ED, but got into Williams RD (which is like next to impossible)? It’s just implausible to me, why would they reject a high stats full pay kid ED?

Correct. This is what happened.

Like I say, our best guess is that Bates didn’t want to build a class out of a particular kind of kid, but that’s just conjecture.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

Just to be clear, your FP kid was deferred and rejected ED, but got into Williams RD (which is like next to impossible)? It’s just implausible to me, why would they reject a high stats full pay kid ED?

. Barnard did the same to DS’s classmate last year -rejected a full pay ED and she ended up at Williams RD. Maybe we need a thread asking what’s up with Williams?

Barnard is much tougher than Bates. Also need blind. I just can’t imagine any FP high stats kid (truly high stats) getting rejected ED from any need aware LAC. I guess there are always anomalies.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

Just to be clear, your FP kid was deferred and rejected ED, but got into Williams RD (which is like next to impossible)? It’s just implausible to me, why would they reject a high stats full pay kid ED?

. Barnard did the same to DS’s classmate last year -rejected a full pay ED and she ended up at Williams RD. Maybe we need a thread asking what’s up with Williams?

Glad to see the Bates hater has found this post to drag out some old/inaccurate/irrelevant complaints. What did Bates do to you that you feel the need to post the same vague complaints on every single thread that references the school?

Fwiw Lewiston is not a super appealing destination, but Lewiston/Auburn has most everything my college student wants or needs, the campus itself is nice, and it's a short drive to Portland or more importantly skiing and hiking. And of course Lewiston has now weathered a horrific tragedy. I think a lot of current and past Bates students have positive feelings about the community now.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

Just to be clear, your FP kid was deferred and rejected ED, but got into Williams RD (which is like next to impossible)? It’s just implausible to me, why would they reject a high stats full pay kid ED?

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

This!!

Even the super diplomatic Fiske Guide To Colleges could remarked in bold print: "Blue-collar Lewiston is not a draw...."

The Fiske Guide also states: "Since there's not much to do in Lewiston, weekend diversions mostly occur on campus."

Fiske also writes: "If you can stand the cold...."

Fiske notes that economics is the strongest program. Unfortunately, almost all of the econ profs & the dept. chair left.

Regarding racism at Bates College, the incidents with the former black head football coach and the head of security treatment of an innocent black student are well documented and were highly publicized.

Life is too short.

Good luck to your kid — they’re gonna do great. Especially with wise, even keeled parent

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.

Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better

I’m the PP whose DD was deferred/rejected (or maybe deferred/waitlisted, can’t remember but the net result was the same). We just figured they had plenty of applicants who on paper looked a lot like my kid that cycle, and they didn’t want to build a whole class of kids like that.

It would be comforting, I suppose, if there were some clear logic to it, as if admission were a precise science, entirely predictable. “Williams is more selective than Bates, therefore every kid who gets into Williams would obviously also get into Bates.” My only point in posting was that sometimes things aren’t that tidy or linear.

At any rate, no hard feelings to Bates. I’m sure the kids they accepted were great. That’s the only issue — there really are more great kids than slots.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.

I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.

Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.

Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.

No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.

+1

Very hard to believe. There was something unusual as Bates needs all the highly qualified, full-pay students that it can get.

Everyone doesn’t have your value system. Even highly qualified, full pay students. Thank goodness

Anonymous wrote:Bates' location stinks. Most of the econ profs--including the dept. head--departed without much notice. Lots of racial issues. Crappy weather. Need aware admissions. Very small enrollment.

Positives are a decent liberal arts location & the kids are nice.

Depends who you ask. Have a passionate skier? One of the best locations (close to Sunday river and a local ski hill) of any LAC. Not studying Econ? Don’t care about the faculty leaving! Care more about the people than the most newly built facilities? Like a smaller campus size? It’s awesome. Midd and Colby might feel like too much space and too few people. “Lots of racial issues”? Experiences may vary. There’s a vibrant immigrant community in Lewiston — I hope that isn’t what you mean by “crappy location.” Students who want a vibrant — and not exclusively white —local community may be drawn to that. And it’s not as isolated as other rural LACs.

Bottom line: they’re all great schools. Do you really need to denigrate a teen’s dream school that works great for them to feel better about yourself living vicariously through your kid?