Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 10:10     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the sort of hypocrisy that spawned the MAGA movement, & is giving it new life for 2024. The woke elites want open borders but migrants flood already crowded poor neighborhoods. They want soft-on-crime DAs but they can afford private security. They preach diversity but it’s Biden or Newsom who will be the nominee in 2024.

ok, but only one party has had a non white person as POTUS.


Trump was orange.

Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 10:07     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.


I’m extremely skeptical of Questbridge’s verification of credentials process since Mackenzie Fierceton.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 10:04     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.


Agree about the Questbridge students.

Disagree about the athletes. Yes, an athlete can be just as smart as any other student. But your assumption that kids who are not athletes are somehow just wasting their high school years in a basement because they don’t play a sport shows you have bought into the American obsession with sports. You don’t think students who are not athletes aren’t spending 25-30 hours on other activities above and beyond academic requirements? Do you think sports is somehow more valuable than working a job, volunteering time, honing skills in the performing arts?

Athletes have a thumb on the scale which means the rest of their application doesn’t have to be as strong as a student with other activities. That is the way of the world. At least own it.



No, I agree with both of your follow up points. But the fact is, the schools field teams and they want the teams to be competitive, so by nature, athletes the schools want are going to tip the scales. What also tips the scales...when the orchestra is losing 3 bassonists that need to be replaced, so all of the sudden, unknown to everyone, a few bassonists get their scales tipped. It is a little harder with other ECs, but they are all part of the mix.

I know from experience that while athletes are often derided in this forum, there are many athletes who also do robotics or debate or other ECs, with skill and passion. You cannot just assume that athletes are one-dimensional lunkheads.


And if they need a tight end and a bassoonist (sp), who do you think gets admitted? It’s much harder with other ECs. Why?

It is about the money. All about the money.

The bassoonist has to have a stronger application.


Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 10:01     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Why would you ever think that the current admissions system is equitable? It has never been and likely will never be. Get over it.


In Selingo's book, he told the story of how athletics came to such prominence in admissions: Jewish white males started to make up more and more of the incoming class, and since it was somewhat hard to filter for religion explicitly, they found athleticism (which favored the taller WASP types in temperament and physical attributes) would boost WASP admissions nicely.

That continues to this day, and now its mostly socioeconomic (who can pay for sports starting in Pre-K or access niche WASP sports like squash, lacrosse, fencing, etc).
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 09:55     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.


The academic results are not similar. Not even close.


And you know this...how?

And...how do you know if the Questbridge applicant didn't have the financial and living struggles of your UMC kid who was groomed and prepped for an Ivy application, that they wouldn't have the same results?
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 09:54     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.


Agree about the Questbridge students.

Disagree about the athletes. Yes, an athlete can be just as smart as any other student. But your assumption that kids who are not athletes are somehow just wasting their high school years in a basement because they don’t play a sport shows you have bought into the American obsession with sports. You don’t think students who are not athletes aren’t spending 25-30 hours on other activities above and beyond academic requirements? Do you think sports is somehow more valuable than working a job, volunteering time, honing skills in the performing arts?

Athletes have a thumb on the scale which means the rest of their application doesn’t have to be as strong as a student with other activities. That is the way of the world. At least own it.



No, I agree with both of your follow up points. But the fact is, the schools field teams and they want the teams to be competitive, so by nature, athletes the schools want are going to tip the scales. What also tips the scales...when the orchestra is losing 3 bassonists that need to be replaced, so all of the sudden, unknown to everyone, a few bassonists get their scales tipped. It is a little harder with other ECs, but they are all part of the mix.

I know from experience that while athletes are often derided in this forum, there are many athletes who also do robotics or debate or other ECs, with skill and passion. You cannot just assume that athletes are one-dimensional lunkheads.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 09:41     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


Highest achieving in what aspect? There are people a lot smarter than you who work on achieving a balanced group of students. There is no simple formula to obtain that.

I can imagine the amount of cheating going on if all that mattered is perfect scores on academic. Or the mental health of the students whose childhood was spent on trying to never make a mistake while having unstable parents breathing down their necks.


People working in admissions offices are not that smart. It is just common sense.


Says the guy who knows zero elite college admissions people.

They are way smarter than you demonstrate you are with that comment, I guarantee you.

Guess what? Harvard gets to pick who Harvard wants as long as they don’t break the law. Just like any private organization. The qualifications are up to them, not you.

You don’t like it don’t apply. Why would you want to be someplace where everyone is so dumb, anyway?
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 09:22     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what there is to be outraged about. 40% is unsurprising. Privilege has always been a well trodden path to the ivies, probably used to be the most reliable path and likely filled the majority of the class. It’s been reduced in order to make space for others. What percentage should it be considering these schools are in the business of staying open and need people who can pay full freight?


If that’s the case then they should lose their non profit status and pay taxes on their endowments and real estate holdings.


Why? You would just be making a case for many non-profits to lose their status - like every one that is religiously based, or based on race. Is that a precedent you want to set?
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 09:20     Subject: Re:Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Middle-class black families send their kids to private and then, often, Ivy. Equity here is about race, not social class.


Wow, I didn’t know that most Black families send their kids to private in the US and the ivy’s are full of middle class Black kids?


DP
I've noticed from our private school the smart UMC black kids get in everywhere. And if they are musically or athletically talented, they are like a unicorn. The issue here is that there just aren't many UMC black kids in the school - a handful.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 08:50     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.


The academic results are not similar. Not even close.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 08:50     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.


Agree about the Questbridge students.

Disagree about the athletes. Yes, an athlete can be just as smart as any other student. But your assumption that kids who are not athletes are somehow just wasting their high school years in a basement because they don’t play a sport shows you have bought into the American obsession with sports. You don’t think students who are not athletes aren’t spending 25-30 hours on other activities above and beyond academic requirements? Do you think sports is somehow more valuable than working a job, volunteering time, honing skills in the performing arts?

Athletes have a thumb on the scale which means the rest of their application doesn’t have to be as strong as a student with other activities. That is the way of the world. At least own it.

Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 08:35     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.

In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.

So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 08:33     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.


This is what European universities do. No DEI questions and tons of government support.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 08:31     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
The equity is the public universities.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2023 08:25     Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the sort of hypocrisy that spawned the MAGA movement, & is giving it new life for 2024. The woke elites want open borders but migrants flood already crowded poor neighborhoods. They want soft-on-crime DAs but they can afford private security. They preach diversity but it’s Biden or Newsom who will be the nominee in 2024.

ok, but only one party has had a non white person as POTUS.


Trump was orange.