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Anonymous wrote:Boys soccer is actually a pretty good choice if your kid is a good but not great athlete. The best female athletes in the US play soccer and basketball (and a little volleyball). In contrast, the boys predominantly play basketball and football in high school. We'd be a much better soccer nation on the men's side if even 20% of our best athletes played soccer.

Based on what facts and verifiable data do you present a narrative that the best athletes for boys go to basketball and football?

Please pause, take a minute or more, go through each position and game role activities in basketball and football, including the body types and fields of play.
Then tell me again with applicable logical reasoning how you reach a conclusion that soccer players are less athletic.

Not PP and not going to present any proof just some thought:
$ influences and promotes decisions. $ flows towards athletes in football and basketball in the US. SPay to play in soccer in US: $ flows away from player families. In Europe and Latin America $ flows towards athletes in soccer. USMNT imports foreign born players.
Defensive backs and receivers in football are going to be significantly better athletes than soccer players in speed and strength as a general rule and experience. And some of that is also because they train specifically for that improvement over a sustained period of time. NFL has no need to go abroad to recruit athletic ability unlike the USMNT.
One interesting way of looking at it: https://www.widerightnattylite.com/2019/7/9/20686053/what-could-the-usmnt-look-like-if-soccer-was-our-most-popular-sport

Anonymous wrote:No one is paying 200/hr for privates. They are paying for strength and added skills training. The highest I have seen is 65/hr. My DD is a D1 player and we never paid 10s of thousands of dollars. That's just not what people do. If your kid needs that - pick a different sport. ID camps - real ones - not the money grabs - are usually only around $100. You only go where the college coaches are- not every tom, dick and harry "ID" camp.
This forum is so full of drama dads!

"I have seen" isn't exactly the best data source, but we know what point you're making.

No one is paying 200/hr for privates. They are paying for strength and added skills training. The highest I have seen is 65/hr. My DD is a D1 player and we never paid 10s of thousands of dollars. That's just not what people do. If your kid needs that - pick a different sport. ID camps - real ones - not the money grabs - are usually only around $100. You only go where the college coaches are- not every tom, dick and harry "ID" camp.
This forum is so full of drama dads!

Anonymous wrote:This is OP and PP is exactly right. The question was does it take that costly extra coaching to go from very good to elite, and the answer appears to be: yes.
Not everyone who gets that coaching would be a D1 contender, but DC will not get there without it. So it is an investment that may or may not pay off, but to have a chance, you have to invest. Question answered, thank you all.

Yes, you have to invest time, effort, discipline, consistency, quality hard work.
Yes you need good quality coaching and training.
You need the right mentality and family/friends support structure.

The "costly" part is not required

This is OP and PP is exactly right. The question was does it take that costly extra coaching to go from very good to elite, and the answer appears to be: yes.
Not everyone who gets that coaching would be a D1 contender, but DC will not get there without it. So it is an investment that may or may not pay off, but to have a chance, you have to invest. Question answered, thank you all.

Anonymous wrote:why on so many forums do they jump to talking about what pros do and top level discussions vs. the OP was asking about a kid who is very good but not even calling 'elite'... so few kids will ever play at a top college or national or internal level... the question was about keeping up with the very good kids on a suburban soccer team.

I'm reviewing the post and OP is commenting about "how much money it costs for a soccer player to become truly elite by highschool." And then she asks "are there really top kids who do NOT get this extra training"? I think she's really asking what it takes to become elite, which implies they are good enough to play at a top college. All the athletes I know at top colleges had layers of extra training, and she's correct that it's really expensive.

why on so many forums do they jump to talking about what pros do and top level discussions vs. the OP was asking about a kid who is very good but not even calling 'elite'... so few kids will ever play at a top college or national or internal level... the question was about keeping up with the very good kids on a suburban soccer team.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need it. This is for the psycho parents who are trying to turn their child into an athlete to even have a chance to play at a high level. If you truly want your kid to be successful, you will never put a kid through this

Are you into soccer or you're just browsing the soccer room on the forum?

You just said the parents for every soccer player around the globe that achieves playing at high levels are psychopaths.

Does the psycho narrative also apply to the academic world?

Every Olympian has psycho parents.
Every NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL player has psycho parents.
Every Wimbledon player has psycho parents.

True, but we get fed the narrative via mass media/Hollywood that anything is possible and everyone can be Earl Woods or Richard Williams because their kid is special. The romanticism of anything is possible and the underdog that fought despite thick and thin. What is life like for those where it did not work out? Genuinely asking.

You're asking what is life like for all the people who played youth sports and didn't become professional athletes?

They are your neighbors and coworkers. The doctor, the lawyer, the accountant, the millionaire business owner, the teacher, the gardener, the Wall St trader, the coach, the Tech wizard, bus driver, CEO, insurance agent

Ok, then probably not necessary to go balls to the wall to produce the professions you mentioned.

What's the problem with people having the goals, desire, drive, discipline and work ethics to go after what they want, even if its not easy?

College is full with people doing Majors that won't become their final profession.

It’s not wrong. Factoring and being conscious of the opportunity cost vs payoff is not wrong either.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need it. This is for the psycho parents who are trying to turn their child into an athlete to even have a chance to play at a high level. If you truly want your kid to be successful, you will never put a kid through this

Are you into soccer or you're just browsing the soccer room on the forum?

You just said the parents for every soccer player around the globe that achieves playing at high levels are psychopaths.

Does the psycho narrative also apply to the academic world?

Every Olympian has psycho parents.
Every NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL player has psycho parents.
Every Wimbledon player has psycho parents.

True, but we get fed the narrative via mass media/Hollywood that anything is possible and everyone can be Earl Woods or Richard Williams because their kid is special. The romanticism of anything is possible and the underdog that fought despite thick and thin. What is life like for those where it did not work out? Genuinely asking.

You're asking what is life like for all the people who played youth sports and didn't become professional athletes?

They are your neighbors and coworkers. The doctor, the lawyer, the accountant, the millionaire business owner, the teacher, the gardener, the Wall St trader, the coach, the Tech wizard, bus driver, CEO, insurance agent

Ok, then probably not necessary to go balls to the wall to produce the professions you mentioned.

What's the problem with people having the goals, desire, drive, discipline and work ethics to go after what they want, even if its not easy?

College is full with people doing Majors that won't become their final profession.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need it. This is for the psycho parents who are trying to turn their child into an athlete to even have a chance to play at a high level. If you truly want your kid to be successful, you will never put a kid through this

Are you into soccer or you're just browsing the soccer room on the forum?

You just said the parents for every soccer player around the globe that achieves playing at high levels are psychopaths.

Does the psycho narrative also apply to the academic world?

Every Olympian has psycho parents.
Every NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL player has psycho parents.
Every Wimbledon player has psycho parents.

True, but we get fed the narrative via mass media/Hollywood that anything is possible and everyone can be Earl Woods or Richard Williams because their kid is special. The romanticism of anything is possible and the underdog that fought despite thick and thin. What is life like for those where it did not work out? Genuinely asking.

You're asking what is life like for all the people who played youth sports and didn't become professional athletes?

They are your neighbors and coworkers. The doctor, the lawyer, the accountant, the millionaire business owner, the teacher, the gardener, the Wall St trader, the coach, the Tech wizard, bus driver, CEO, insurance agent

Ok, then probably not necessary to go balls to the wall to produce the professions you mentioned.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need it. This is for the psycho parents who are trying to turn their child into an athlete to even have a chance to play at a high level. If you truly want your kid to be successful, you will never put a kid through this

Are you into soccer or you're just browsing the soccer room on the forum?

You just said the parents for every soccer player around the globe that achieves playing at high levels are psychopaths.

Does the psycho narrative also apply to the academic world?

Every Olympian has psycho parents.
Every NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL player has psycho parents.
Every Wimbledon player has psycho parents.

True, but we get fed the narrative via mass media/Hollywood that anything is possible and everyone can be Earl Woods or Richard Williams because their kid is special. The romanticism of anything is possible and the underdog that fought despite thick and thin. What is life like for those where it did not work out? Genuinely asking.

You're asking what is life like for all the people who played youth sports and didn't become professional athletes?

They are your neighbors and coworkers. The doctor, the lawyer, the accountant, the millionaire business owner, the teacher, the gardener, the Wall St trader, the coach, the Tech wizard, bus driver, CEO, insurance agent

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need it. This is for the psycho parents who are trying to turn their child into an athlete to even have a chance to play at a high level. If you truly want your kid to be successful, you will never put a kid through this

Are you into soccer or you're just browsing the soccer room on the forum?

You just said the parents for every soccer player around the globe that achieves playing at high levels are psychopaths.

Does the psycho narrative also apply to the academic world?

Every Olympian has psycho parents.
Every NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL player has psycho parents.
Every Wimbledon player has psycho parents.

True, but we get fed the narrative via mass media/Hollywood that anything is possible and everyone can be Earl Woods or Richard Williams because their kid is special. The romanticism of anything is possible and the underdog that fought despite thick and thin. What is life like for those where it did not work out? Genuinely asking.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need it. This is for the psycho parents who are trying to turn their child into an athlete to even have a chance to play at a high level. If you truly want your kid to be successful, you will never put a kid through this

Are you into soccer or you're just browsing the soccer room on the forum?

You just said the parents for every soccer player around the globe that achieves playing at high levels are psychopaths.

Does the psycho narrative also apply to the academic world?

Every Olympian has psycho parents.
Every NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL player has psycho parents.
Every Wimbledon player has psycho parents.

I was thinking the same. Every sport I’ve done as a parent or athlete is the same. Those who rise to an elite level have “psycho” parents, excellent coaches and drive. No exceptions.

Anonymous wrote:Why are we unwilling to regularly send young kids away to excel in sports but get a below-average education in the US? Other countries are fine doing it.

Hahahahaha aren't we the country who have a long history of others doing and submitting the school work for athletes while teachers, professors and administrators look the other way?

Anonymous wrote:Boys soccer is actually a pretty good choice if your kid is a good but not great athlete. The best female athletes in the US play soccer and basketball (and a little volleyball). In contrast, the boys predominantly play basketball and football in high school. We'd be a much better soccer nation on the men's side if even 20% of our best athletes played soccer.

Based on what facts and verifiable data do you present a narrative that the best athletes for boys go to basketball and football?

Please pause, take a minute or more, go through each position and game role activities in basketball and football, including the body types and fields of play.
Then tell me again with applicable logical reasoning how you reach a conclusion that soccer players are less athletic.