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Post 11/29/2023 13:15     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:Surprise! Paris have a baby girl now, London. I had a feeling it would be quick after their first, considering she is already 42. I wonder if there will be a third, or is her family complete now?


I meant to say Paris and Carter have a baby girl now.

Carter already has a baby girl.


She’s not a baby and Carter isn’t part of her life. Now he has a baby girl.


He didn’t abandon anyone. He got someone pregnant. It wasn’t a serious relationship. If he’d had a choice, he would have had an abortion. The mom didn’t want one and decided to go and have the baby anyway. He provides her with financial support.

It’s not fair to force a man to be a father if it wasn’t his choice to be one anymore than it’s fair to force a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy.


Np no one forced him to have sex with the woman.


I’m so confused by this mentality. Would you only allow a woman to have an abortion if she were raped? Or do you think it’s okay for a woman to have a good time, make a mistake, get pregnant and then have an abortion to fix her mistake? I’m fully pro-choice, so I go with the latter.

But I’m not sexist and apply the same logic for men. I can see a man having a good time, making a mistake, getting a woman pregnant and then telling her that he’d prefer for her to have an abortion because he doesn’t want to be a father. I see nothing wrong with him choosing not to participate in the child’s life, if the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy and have the child despite his wishes. In this case, he’s providing financial support which is more than enough for a man who point blank said he didn’t want the pregnancy.

Why should he or she suffer more for the same mistake they made together? The woman gets the ultimate choice in deciding whether or not to keep the pregnancy, but a man should get the choice of deciding whether he wants to be a father to a child he didn’t want with a woman he wasn’t married to. He shouldn’t be obligated to father this child anymore than she should be obligated to keep the pregnancy.
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Post 11/29/2023 13:11     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

But she accepted the consequence correct and he just walked away.
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Post 11/29/2023 13:10     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?


They probably made way more than 20, just to blow your mind. They likely made as many embryos as she had eggs for, sent them all off for testing, and trashed the 40-60% that came back aneuploid. Because that's how IVF with testing works. Now they have a truly impressive number of embryos, some of which may be transplanted, and some of that number may ever implant, and of that number develop into a fetus, and of that number result in a live birth.

Your fantasy that every embryo created is a living child that must be protected by internet strangers is strange, and false. It would be great if a person going through IVF could say "just create two embryos, because I only want two children" but that's not how it works. If only.

- currently injecting myself with hormones nightly in the hope that some of my current follicles become mature eggs which can be whittled away through the IVF winnowing process until I hopefully, maybe, if I'm lucky, get a single kid


I also did IVF and totally disagree. They very gratuitously made 20+ embryos bc they wanted a girl. They could have just had 2+ boys. Normal ppl who want kids are not doing a gazillion cycles for gender selection. I think that's immoral. I say that as someone who is complete pro-IVF and pro-choice. It is gross behavior that give IVF a bad rap.


Unless there's some evidence that they had all boy embryos and tried again to get a girl for transfer, you're just inventing this out of whole cloth to judge them. They may, in fact, have chosen a girl from the embryos they had (which is not something I would do, but there are many things Paris Hilton does that I would not do). But I don't know of any clinic or protocol that tells you to make fewer embryos than possible, for any reason. I don't know how old she was when her eggs were collected (I'm assuming these were from a collection at a younger age), but they have to be thawed and mixed with his forty-something sperm to get to the next stage, and there's no reason to believe they created a bunch for any goal other than to have the best chance of success.


I didn't make it up

She's openly admitted it: https://people.com/parents/paris-hilton-20-boy-embryos-frozen-still-trying-for-girl/


Okay, I take it back. That's really bizarre behavior. I still don't think it should be illegal or anything because it's her body, her money, and no one is harmed by it, but I cannot imagine putting myself through 7+ retrieval cycles for a gender preference.
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Post 11/29/2023 13:01     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:Surprise! Paris have a baby girl now, London. I had a feeling it would be quick after their first, considering she is already 42. I wonder if there will be a third, or is her family complete now?


I meant to say Paris and Carter have a baby girl now.

Carter already has a baby girl.


She’s not a baby and Carter isn’t part of her life. Now he has a baby girl.


He didn’t abandon anyone. He got someone pregnant. It wasn’t a serious relationship. If he’d had a choice, he would have had an abortion. The mom didn’t want one and decided to go and have the baby anyway. He provides her with financial support.

It’s not fair to force a man to be a father if it wasn’t his choice to be one anymore than it’s fair to force a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy.


Np no one forced him to have sex with the woman.


Nobody forced her to have sex with him either.
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Post 11/29/2023 12:51     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?


They probably made way more than 20, just to blow your mind. They likely made as many embryos as she had eggs for, sent them all off for testing, and trashed the 40-60% that came back aneuploid. Because that's how IVF with testing works. Now they have a truly impressive number of embryos, some of which may be transplanted, and some of that number may ever implant, and of that number develop into a fetus, and of that number result in a live birth.

Your fantasy that every embryo created is a living child that must be protected by internet strangers is strange, and false. It would be great if a person going through IVF could say "just create two embryos, because I only want two children" but that's not how it works. If only.

- currently injecting myself with hormones nightly in the hope that some of my current follicles become mature eggs which can be whittled away through the IVF winnowing process until I hopefully, maybe, if I'm lucky, get a single kid


I also did IVF and totally disagree. They very gratuitously made 20+ embryos bc they wanted a girl. They could have just had 2+ boys. Normal ppl who want kids are not doing a gazillion cycles for gender selection. I think that's immoral. I say that as someone who is complete pro-IVF and pro-choice. It is gross behavior that give IVF a bad rap.


Unless there's some evidence that they had all boy embryos and tried again to get a girl for transfer, you're just inventing this out of whole cloth to judge them. They may, in fact, have chosen a girl from the embryos they had (which is not something I would do, but there are many things Paris Hilton does that I would not do). But I don't know of any clinic or protocol that tells you to make fewer embryos than possible, for any reason. I don't know how old she was when her eggs were collected (I'm assuming these were from a collection at a younger age), but they have to be thawed and mixed with his forty-something sperm to get to the next stage, and there's no reason to believe they created a bunch for any goal other than to have the best chance of success.


I didn't make it up

She's openly admitted it: https://people.com/parents/paris-hilton-20-boy-embryos-frozen-still-trying-for-girl/


Literally the headline: "Paris Hilton Says She and Carter Reum Have 20 Boy Embryos Frozen and Are Still Trying for a Girl"
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Post 11/29/2023 12:50     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?


They probably made way more than 20, just to blow your mind. They likely made as many embryos as she had eggs for, sent them all off for testing, and trashed the 40-60% that came back aneuploid. Because that's how IVF with testing works. Now they have a truly impressive number of embryos, some of which may be transplanted, and some of that number may ever implant, and of that number develop into a fetus, and of that number result in a live birth.

Your fantasy that every embryo created is a living child that must be protected by internet strangers is strange, and false. It would be great if a person going through IVF could say "just create two embryos, because I only want two children" but that's not how it works. If only.

- currently injecting myself with hormones nightly in the hope that some of my current follicles become mature eggs which can be whittled away through the IVF winnowing process until I hopefully, maybe, if I'm lucky, get a single kid


I also did IVF and totally disagree. They very gratuitously made 20+ embryos bc they wanted a girl. They could have just had 2+ boys. Normal ppl who want kids are not doing a gazillion cycles for gender selection. I think that's immoral. I say that as someone who is complete pro-IVF and pro-choice. It is gross behavior that give IVF a bad rap.


Unless there's some evidence that they had all boy embryos and tried again to get a girl for transfer, you're just inventing this out of whole cloth to judge them. They may, in fact, have chosen a girl from the embryos they had (which is not something I would do, but there are many things Paris Hilton does that I would not do). But I don't know of any clinic or protocol that tells you to make fewer embryos than possible, for any reason. I don't know how old she was when her eggs were collected (I'm assuming these were from a collection at a younger age), but they have to be thawed and mixed with his forty-something sperm to get to the next stage, and there's no reason to believe they created a bunch for any goal other than to have the best chance of success.


I didn't make it up

She's openly admitted it: https://people.com/parents/paris-hilton-20-boy-embryos-frozen-still-trying-for-girl/
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 11:45     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:Surprise! Paris have a baby girl now, London. I had a feeling it would be quick after their first, considering she is already 42. I wonder if there will be a third, or is her family complete now?



Congratulations to the new nannies!


LOVE this response!
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Post 11/29/2023 11:23     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:Surprise! Paris have a baby girl now, London. I had a feeling it would be quick after their first, considering she is already 42. I wonder if there will be a third, or is her family complete now?


I meant to say Paris and Carter have a baby girl now.

Carter already has a baby girl.


She’s not a baby and Carter isn’t part of her life. Now he has a baby girl.


He didn’t abandon anyone. He got someone pregnant. It wasn’t a serious relationship. If he’d had a choice, he would have had an abortion. The mom didn’t want one and decided to go and have the baby anyway. He provides her with financial support.

It’s not fair to force a man to be a father if it wasn’t his choice to be one anymore than it’s fair to force a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy.


Np no one forced him to have sex with the woman.
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Post 11/29/2023 11:23     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why can't she sell them?
Arent eggs with hot rich genes valuable?
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 11:20     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?


They probably made way more than 20, just to blow your mind. They likely made as many embryos as she had eggs for, sent them all off for testing, and trashed the 40-60% that came back aneuploid. Because that's how IVF with testing works. Now they have a truly impressive number of embryos, some of which may be transplanted, and some of that number may ever implant, and of that number develop into a fetus, and of that number result in a live birth.

Your fantasy that every embryo created is a living child that must be protected by internet strangers is strange, and false. It would be great if a person going through IVF could say "just create two embryos, because I only want two children" but that's not how it works. If only.

- currently injecting myself with hormones nightly in the hope that some of my current follicles become mature eggs which can be whittled away through the IVF winnowing process until I hopefully, maybe, if I'm lucky, get a single kid


I also did IVF and totally disagree. They very gratuitously made 20+ embryos bc they wanted a girl. They could have just had 2+ boys. Normal ppl who want kids are not doing a gazillion cycles for gender selection. I think that's immoral. I say that as someone who is complete pro-IVF and pro-choice. It is gross behavior that give IVF a bad rap.


So your theory is, what, intentionally sacrificing 4 babies is OK but killing 20 is beyond the pale?

Or killing 4 non-babies is OK but killing 20 is beyond the pale?


Make this make sense.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 11:18     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

Anonymous wrote:Surprise! Paris have a baby girl now, London. I had a feeling it would be quick after their first, considering she is already 42. I wonder if there will be a third, or is her family complete now?



Congratulations to the new nannies!
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 10:48     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:No I don't get that. Regular non-famous women have kids at 40 without all the hired help she has the luxury to afford. She'll be in her 60s when her children are adults. God forbid.


Gd forbid what, exactly?

Lot of mommy superiors on this thread.


God forbid to the previous poster who thinks 40 is old.
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Post 11/29/2023 10:46     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?

Because they wanted to. Why do you care?


Because Republicans want to control women's bodies and this should absolutely be included. You don't get to make as many embryos as you want and then destroy the ones you don't use. You don't get a loophole because they are in a deep freezer.
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Post 11/29/2023 10:08     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?


They probably made way more than 20, just to blow your mind. They likely made as many embryos as she had eggs for, sent them all off for testing, and trashed the 40-60% that came back aneuploid. Because that's how IVF with testing works. Now they have a truly impressive number of embryos, some of which may be transplanted, and some of that number may ever implant, and of that number develop into a fetus, and of that number result in a live birth.

Your fantasy that every embryo created is a living child that must be protected by internet strangers is strange, and false. It would be great if a person going through IVF could say "just create two embryos, because I only want two children" but that's not how it works. If only.

- currently injecting myself with hormones nightly in the hope that some of my current follicles become mature eggs which can be whittled away through the IVF winnowing process until I hopefully, maybe, if I'm lucky, get a single kid


I also did IVF and totally disagree. They very gratuitously made 20+ embryos bc they wanted a girl. They could have just had 2+ boys. Normal ppl who want kids are not doing a gazillion cycles for gender selection. I think that's immoral. I say that as someone who is complete pro-IVF and pro-choice. It is gross behavior that give IVF a bad rap.


Unless there's some evidence that they had all boy embryos and tried again to get a girl for transfer, you're just inventing this out of whole cloth to judge them. They may, in fact, have chosen a girl from the embryos they had (which is not something I would do, but there are many things Paris Hilton does that I would not do). But I don't know of any clinic or protocol that tells you to make fewer embryos than possible, for any reason. I don't know how old she was when her eggs were collected (I'm assuming these were from a collection at a younger age), but they have to be thawed and mixed with his forty-something sperm to get to the next stage, and there's no reason to believe they created a bunch for any goal other than to have the best chance of success.
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Post 11/29/2023 10:03     Subject: Paris Hilton welcomes baby girl via surrogate!

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to her memoir and had a better impression of her and then I read this regarding the new baby:
“When I was in ‘The Simple Life,’ I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth and that traumatized me as well,” she told the publication. “But I want a family so bad, it’s just the physical part of doing it. I’m just so scared… childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.”

She also talked a lot about wanting a girl in the memoir. Didn't come out and say they gender selected but definitely hinted at it.

And now I'm back to thinking she's too vain and selfish to have two children.

She said they have a lot of frozen eggs and embryos so she could have easily picked her preferred gender. I’m inclined to be a bit sympathetic to her after reading about her terrible experience at that boarding school.


She said they had 20 boy embryos. Wonder what is happening to them now that she got her girl? I guess she doesn’t care.


Same thing that happens to 19 of them if she had a boy, and all the sperm a man makes almost every week as the egg a woman ejects almost every month.


Wtf are you talking about? A woman “ejects” an egg?

What is happening to the frozen boy embryos that they made and are on ice now? That is completely different from an unfertilized egg being released every month and not being fertilized.

You are an idiot.


They get rid of them.


Or they have another boy. They had a boy first, then went for the girl. Pretty reasonable. We can presume they're not going to try to have 20 kids so embryos will be trashed either way. A lot of us have no problem with that.

I think they’ll have at least one more too. But if they really have 20 embryos left, then yea, they’re going to destroy the bulk of them at some point. Not sure what PP is expecting by asking what is going to happen to the leftover embryos.


Why make 20 when there’s no way to possibly use them all?

Because they wanted to. Why do you care?