Anonymous
11/18/2023 18:20
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.
Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.
Love these people who don't even know the murderer's name, but they just KNOW that it was "generational trauma" that forced him to kill a 14 year old.
This.
People need to stop with the stupid hypotheses. You don’t even know the person’s name.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 17:23
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
If only those who pull for the murderers and cry about generational trauma were actually raising teenagers in this city. I bet they are not. They are all about bike lanes and local brews and genuflecting on social media. Their opinions are worthless.
Mom of a 14 year old who takes metro by herself to school and lives in a neighborhood plagued by gun violence.
Mom of a 14 year old who takes metro by herself to school and lives in a neighborhood plagued by gun violence.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 16:57
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
You really think this is the case???
They are bad people and need to be punished. Don’t you dare try and make them the victims.
NP. I think it is most likely the case. And that doesn't mean they aren't "bad people and need to be punished," pp is saying it isn't "JUST a case of bad people." People who victimize can also be victims.
I am the pp who noted the role of dehumanization. The above is my point. Yes, they should absolutely be punished. But you all are fooling yourself if you think they are a$$holes just because. Read the body keeps score. And even nickeled and dimed or maid if you want to see how people sometimes have a limited range of options to choose from and make choices that seem utterly outrageous to us.
Yes, some people have generational trauma and can overcome it, but many cannot. And no one is blaming the white folks on this thread per se, but you must stop being so defensive about things that other folks have done and continue to do that hurts certain segments of the population (whether it be poc, or poor, or lgbt, or disabled, whatever).
I can buy the generational trauma. I can buy that we must help kids break free from the generational trauma. What I don't want to happen, is the victims of generational trauma get a pass/reduced jail time for their crimes because of the generational trauma.
Yes - try to help them but once they commit the crime, they need to be punished. Don't want to be punished? Then take the help that is being given and don't commit crimes.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 16:44
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
That mother should be charged with murder as well. She probably bought the gun.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 16:41
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Watch Season 1 and then Season 4 of The Wire and many things will become clear to you. It’s the environment that breeds violence and the kids have very low chances to escape.
The only child who escaped in Season 4 was adopted and moved out of the area.
The only child who escaped in Season 4 was adopted and moved out of the area.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 16:20
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
Responses like this are why we’re in this crime predicament in the first place.
And fyi dehumanization is not an inherited trait.
I agree with the first poster and I believe that both the kid and mom should go to prison.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:13
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Suspected Washington DC teen killer brags on Instagram after murder; mother watches son open fire: police
https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspected-washington-dc-teen-killer-brags-instagram-murder-mother-watches-son-open-fire-police
Copied from a more legitimate site:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/suspected-teen-killer-brags-on-instagram-after-murder-mother-watches-son-open-fire-dc-court-report
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:13
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
You really think this is the case???
They are bad people and need to be punished. Don’t you dare try and make them the victims.
NP. I think it is most likely the case. And that doesn't mean they aren't "bad people and need to be punished," pp is saying it isn't "JUST a case of bad people." People who victimize can also be victims.
I am the pp who noted the role of dehumanization. The above is my point. Yes, they should absolutely be punished. But you all are fooling yourself if you think they are a$$holes just because. Read the body keeps score. And even nickeled and dimed or maid if you want to see how people sometimes have a limited range of options to choose from and make choices that seem utterly outrageous to us.
Yes, some people have generational trauma and can overcome it, but many cannot. And no one is blaming the white folks on this thread per se, but you must stop being so defensive about things that other folks have done and continue to do that hurts certain segments of the population (whether it be poc, or poor, or lgbt, or disabled, whatever).
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:12
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
I really wish the Post would interview the juveniles involved in crimes like this and their parents. I understand not all will talk or be able to if a trial is pending, but surely some of them would especially when the dust has settled. I really want to find out more about how this happens.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:10
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
All over the world, for centuries, there have been people victimized, dehumanized, mistreated, and living in poverty. Most do not raise violent family members and murderers.
Most of them don't have guns.
But you probably didn't want to hear that.
Also have you not noticed the many civil wars about the world?
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:08
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
All over the world, for centuries, there have been people victimized, dehumanized, mistreated, and living in poverty. Most do not raise violent family members and murderers.
This.
During the Great Depression people ate rice and beans day after day in the US. Children knew hunger during the Great Depression right here in the US. The children were not out murdering others.
The relationship between economics and crime is complicated, but murder rates absolutely rose during the Great Depression. The national murder rate during the early 30s hit rates that we wouldn't see again until the 70s.
But were minor children doing the murdering during the Depression? I suspect they were more likely to be doing farm work or subbed out to neighborhood farms to work or working in the family shop.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:06
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Bottom line, that kid and his mother are both pieces of sh¡t. They know right from wrong. They just don’t care.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 15:00
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
I have had 4 employees who have Moms and/or Dads who are in prison for long term incarceration.
All are white by the way. All are respectable hard working young people.
If anything the fact that they have a parent incarcerated has taught them responsibility and hard work at a young age.
The saddest was a very young woman whose Mom was incarcerated for many years. The young woman joined the Army National Guard for extra income and supports. Mom was finally getting out of prison and wanted her daughter to buy her makeup and clothing etc. The 20 year old told me her Mom was not there for her and her Mom could buy her own makeup and her own clothing.
Young people live through challenges and still do not become murderers.
All are white by the way. All are respectable hard working young people.
If anything the fact that they have a parent incarcerated has taught them responsibility and hard work at a young age.
The saddest was a very young woman whose Mom was incarcerated for many years. The young woman joined the Army National Guard for extra income and supports. Mom was finally getting out of prison and wanted her daughter to buy her makeup and clothing etc. The 20 year old told me her Mom was not there for her and her Mom could buy her own makeup and her own clothing.
Young people live through challenges and still do not become murderers.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:59
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
All over the world, for centuries, there have been people victimized, dehumanized, mistreated, and living in poverty. Most do not raise violent family members and murderers.
This.
During the Great Depression people ate rice and beans day after day in the US. Children knew hunger during the Great Depression right here in the US. The children were not out murdering others.
The relationship between economics and crime is complicated, but murder rates absolutely rose during the Great Depression. The national murder rate during the early 30s hit rates that we wouldn't see again until the 70s.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:53
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
All over the world, for centuries, there have been people victimized, dehumanized, mistreated, and living in poverty. Most do not raise violent family members and murderers.
This.
During the Great Depression people ate rice and beans day after day in the US. Children knew hunger during the Great Depression right here in the US. The children were not out murdering others.