Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have been on it for a while, you should have a very good idea of how much to eat/portion control that works for you maintain current weight goal. So you should be able to go off it and maintain the same eating and exercise program you’ve been doing. You may *want to eat more off of it, but you will know how much you should be eating and be disciplined and stick to that- and keep eye on scale frequently

That sounds good, but it doesn’t address the problem. Once you have been obese, it affects your hormones in a way that seriously increases hunger and “food noise” in your head. The drug addresses that. So yes, I now know how many calories to eat to maintain or lose weight. But I knew that for many decades BEFORE the drug. The difference is with the drug I can achieve that calorie target without feeling famished all the time. People who haven’t been fat don’t understand how different it feels if you are overweight. It isn’t just psychological. It’s physiological.

Men think about and want sex all the time. We all have to control our urges, whether that is to over eat or whatever your vice may be

Anonymous wrote:If you have been on it for a while, you should have a very good idea of how much to eat/portion control that works for you maintain current weight goal. So you should be able to go off it and maintain the same eating and exercise program you’ve been doing. You may *want to eat more off of it, but you will know how much you should be eating and be disciplined and stick to that- and keep eye on scale frequently

That sounds good, but it doesn’t address the problem. Once you have been obese, it affects your hormones in a way that seriously increases hunger and “food noise” in your head. The drug addresses that. So yes, I now know how many calories to eat to maintain or lose weight. But I knew that for many decades BEFORE the drug. The difference is with the drug I can achieve that calorie target without feeling famished all the time. People who haven’t been fat don’t understand how different it feels if you are overweight. It isn’t just psychological. It’s physiological.

Anonymous wrote:If diabetics have been taking these drugs for years (20? as posted upthread), why are they just recently "discovered" as weight loss drugs?

Also, many insurance plans stopped paying for their use as weight loss drugs. With the recent news about the other benefits, will they backtrack and again cover them?

My understanding is that it took quite a length of time to get FDA approval for use as weight loss medication.

If you have been on it for a while, you should have a very good idea of how much to eat/portion control that works for you maintain current weight goal. So you should be able to go off it and maintain the same eating and exercise program you’ve been doing. You may *want to eat more off of it, but you will know how much you should be eating and be disciplined and stick to that- and keep eye on scale frequently

If diabetics have been taking these drugs for years (20? as posted upthread), why are they just recently "discovered" as weight loss drugs?

Also, many insurance plans stopped paying for their use as weight loss drugs. With the recent news about the other benefits, will they backtrack and again cover them?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the risks of bowel obstruction, I suppose?

That isn’t actually a thing

It's been measured in clinical studies: gastroparesis, biliary disease, bowel obstruction, etc. All the forms of gastric and intestinal issues these drugs can trigger.

They are known risks. You've got to consult your doctor and decide what your individual profile can sustain.

The risks are very small for these issues. Stop the hysteria. We get it. You hate the idea that fat people have a chance to not be fat.

Yeah! I'm not a dr but I'm fairly certain that the risks of obesity are way higher than these risks.

Exactly! One of the most dangerous medications out there is actually Tylenol. No one is coming on here daily saying "don't take Tylenol."

If people were talking about taking Tylenol after or while drinking, I would most certainly say "hey, you probably don't want to do that." No one is saying don't take Wegovy, they are saying, consider seriously the risks. I don't know why people feel like that is so horrible or aggressive.

Because people aren't just saying "consider the risks." Come on. Have you been on DCUM in the past year? Look at every thread started on this topic. It's nothing but hate for "morally failing fat people" who dare to consider getting some help to get their weight under control. Everything carries risk. Driving to work carries a lot of risk but we do it because it's necessary.

Well you are replying to me and that’s what I’ve said. It is so odd that so many people assume that a word of caution is perceived as a negative. It would be great if this drug helped people lose weight and lowers risk of heart attacks and stroke and helps people stop drinking etc with no adverse side effects of note, but IMO the odds of that are low.

And why is it up to you to give “a word of caution”? What’s your training and expertise in this area? Why does “IMO” outweighs the conversation people are having with their Doctor’s about the risks and benefits? Do you really think people would be so willing to take this drug if they hadn’t had years of “just eat less and move more”? Do you think people are healthier at 10 BMI points higher, pre diabetic, with high cholesterol, hypertension, higher risk of stroke and heart attack with less physically mobile than dealing with GI side effect (less they ignore/lie about the degree of side effects to their MD)? Do you think they don’t notice the side effects and decide with their doctor that the trade off is worth it?

If someone says they need surgery, do you give a “word of caution” about the risks of infection, anesthesia, etc? Or do you assume the patient and doctor decided the benefits of surgery outweigh the risks and just patronize people (mostly women) struggling with weight loss?

You can sit down now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the risks of bowel obstruction, I suppose?

That isn’t actually a thing

It's been measured in clinical studies: gastroparesis, biliary disease, bowel obstruction, etc. All the forms of gastric and intestinal issues these drugs can trigger.

They are known risks. You've got to consult your doctor and decide what your individual profile can sustain.

The risks are very small for these issues. Stop the hysteria. We get it. You hate the idea that fat people have a chance to not be fat.

Yeah! I'm not a dr but I'm fairly certain that the risks of obesity are way higher than these risks.

Exactly! One of the most dangerous medications out there is actually Tylenol. No one is coming on here daily saying "don't take Tylenol."

If people were talking about taking Tylenol after or while drinking, I would most certainly say "hey, you probably don't want to do that." No one is saying don't take Wegovy, they are saying, consider seriously the risks. I don't know why people feel like that is so horrible or aggressive.

Because people aren't just saying "consider the risks." Come on. Have you been on DCUM in the past year? Look at every thread started on this topic. It's nothing but hate for "morally failing fat people" who dare to consider getting some help to get their weight under control. Everything carries risk. Driving to work carries a lot of risk but we do it because it's necessary.

Well you are replying to me and that’s what I’ve said. It is so odd that so many people assume that a word of caution is perceived as a negative. It would be great if this drug helped people lose weight and lowers risk of heart attacks and stroke and helps people stop drinking etc with no adverse side effects of note, but IMO the odds of that are low.

It's not a realistic expectation that a drug would have NO adverse side effects of note. Even common drugs like Tylenol do-but millions of people use it everyday. I have adverse reactions from aspirin (stomach pain and ear ringing) but aspirin has benefited millions of people.

The majority of people who use semaglutides have little to no side effects. A few people have serious side effects. Sounds like just about every other med out there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the risks of bowel obstruction, I suppose?

That isn’t actually a thing

It's been measured in clinical studies: gastroparesis, biliary disease, bowel obstruction, etc. All the forms of gastric and intestinal issues these drugs can trigger.

They are known risks. You've got to consult your doctor and decide what your individual profile can sustain.

The risks are very small for these issues. Stop the hysteria. We get it. You hate the idea that fat people have a chance to not be fat.

Yeah! I'm not a dr but I'm fairly certain that the risks of obesity are way higher than these risks.

Exactly! One of the most dangerous medications out there is actually Tylenol. No one is coming on here daily saying "don't take Tylenol."

If people were talking about taking Tylenol after or while drinking, I would most certainly say "hey, you probably don't want to do that." No one is saying don't take Wegovy, they are saying, consider seriously the risks. I don't know why people feel like that is so horrible or aggressive.

Because people aren't just saying "consider the risks." Come on. Have you been on DCUM in the past year? Look at every thread started on this topic. It's nothing but hate for "morally failing fat people" who dare to consider getting some help to get their weight under control. Everything carries risk. Driving to work carries a lot of risk but we do it because it's necessary.

Well you are replying to me and that’s what I’ve said. It is so odd that so many people assume that a word of caution is perceived as a negative. It would be great if this drug helped people lose weight and lowers risk of heart attacks and stroke and helps people stop drinking etc with no adverse side effects of note, but IMO the odds of that are low.

And it is so odd that you assume your “word of caution” would carry more weight than a doctor’s advice.

Also the side effects and benefits are studied and widely reported. So your “opinion” on the odds of those side effects is rather irrelevant.

Which location?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the risks of bowel obstruction, I suppose?

That isn’t actually a thing

It's been measured in clinical studies: gastroparesis, biliary disease, bowel obstruction, etc. All the forms of gastric and intestinal issues these drugs can trigger.

They are known risks. You've got to consult your doctor and decide what your individual profile can sustain.

The risks are very small for these issues. Stop the hysteria. We get it. You hate the idea that fat people have a chance to not be fat.

Yeah! I'm not a dr but I'm fairly certain that the risks of obesity are way higher than these risks.

Exactly! One of the most dangerous medications out there is actually Tylenol. No one is coming on here daily saying "don't take Tylenol."

If people were talking about taking Tylenol after or while drinking, I would most certainly say "hey, you probably don't want to do that." No one is saying don't take Wegovy, they are saying, consider seriously the risks. I don't know why people feel like that is so horrible or aggressive.

Because people aren't just saying "consider the risks." Come on. Have you been on DCUM in the past year? Look at every thread started on this topic. It's nothing but hate for "morally failing fat people" who dare to consider getting some help to get their weight under control. Everything carries risk. Driving to work carries a lot of risk but we do it because it's necessary.

Well you are replying to me and that’s what I’ve said. It is so odd that so many people assume that a word of caution is perceived as a negative. It would be great if this drug helped people lose weight and lowers risk of heart attacks and stroke and helps people stop drinking etc with no adverse side effects of note, but IMO the odds of that are low.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: You don't have to go off. People have been on Ozempic, which like Wegovy is semaglutide, for nearly 20 years safely.

For diabetes. We don’t know what the impact is on otherwise healthy people. One should always be cautious of “miracle drugs”.

No need to put quotation marks around miracle drugs. They are. Thank god we finally have them.

When one simple drug claims to improve multiple things just like that, you should be suspicious. Even penicillin which was hailed as a « miracle drug » caused unintended outcomes due to over and indiscriminate usage. There are a long list of drugs that were originally thought to be terrific solutions that later turned out to not be or to be harmful. People can and should do what they like, but they should be cautious and aware before putting things in their bodies. Science is great but it is always evolving.

Science is also evolving on the benefits of these drugs, such that they are now being studied for addiction, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and heart disease/cardiovascular health independent of obesity. And the side effects/risk profile is very well studied.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the risks of bowel obstruction, I suppose?

That isn’t actually a thing

It's been measured in clinical studies: gastroparesis, biliary disease, bowel obstruction, etc. All the forms of gastric and intestinal issues these drugs can trigger.

They are known risks. You've got to consult your doctor and decide what your individual profile can sustain.

The risks are very small for these issues. Stop the hysteria. We get it. You hate the idea that fat people have a chance to not be fat.

Yeah! I'm not a dr but I'm fairly certain that the risks of obesity are way higher than these risks.

Exactly! One of the most dangerous medications out there is actually Tylenol. No one is coming on here daily saying "don't take Tylenol."

If people were talking about taking Tylenol after or while drinking, I would most certainly say "hey, you probably don't want to do that." No one is saying don't take Wegovy, they are saying, consider seriously the risks. I don't know why people feel like that is so horrible or aggressive.

Because people aren't just saying "consider the risks." Come on. Have you been on DCUM in the past year? Look at every thread started on this topic. It's nothing but hate for "morally failing fat people" who dare to consider getting some help to get their weight under control. Everything carries risk. Driving to work carries a lot of risk but we do it because it's necessary.

^ also regular use of NSAIDs can ruin you as well, even though you can buy it OTC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the risks of bowel obstruction, I suppose?

That isn’t actually a thing

It's been measured in clinical studies: gastroparesis, biliary disease, bowel obstruction, etc. All the forms of gastric and intestinal issues these drugs can trigger.

They are known risks. You've got to consult your doctor and decide what your individual profile can sustain.

The risks are very small for these issues. Stop the hysteria. We get it. You hate the idea that fat people have a chance to not be fat.

Yeah! I'm not a dr but I'm fairly certain that the risks of obesity are way higher than these risks.

Exactly! One of the most dangerous medications out there is actually Tylenol. No one is coming on here daily saying "don't take Tylenol."

If people were talking about taking Tylenol after or while drinking, I would most certainly say "hey, you probably don't want to do that." No one is saying don't take Wegovy, they are saying, consider seriously the risks. I don't know why people feel like that is so horrible or aggressive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: You don't have to go off. People have been on Ozempic, which like Wegovy is semaglutide, for nearly 20 years safely.

For diabetes. We don’t know what the impact is on otherwise healthy people. One should always be cautious of “miracle drugs”.

No need to put quotation marks around miracle drugs. They are. Thank god we finally have them.

When one simple drug claims to improve multiple things just like that, you should be suspicious. Even penicillin which was hailed as a « miracle drug » caused unintended outcomes due to over and indiscriminate usage. There are a long list of drugs that were originally thought to be terrific solutions that later turned out to not be or to be harmful. People can and should do what they like, but they should be cautious and aware before putting things in their bodies. Science is great but it is always evolving.

It is, but we KNOW that obesity is really dangerous! It has multiple risks-heart disease, stroke, mobility issues, to name a few. You have to weigh the risks.

Yeah, i said that. But people tend to hear the good and ignore the risks. Especially when they can get the initial outcome they desire.

So you're aware of the risks, but the rest of us - who are working with doctors, and have been saying in this thread, "you have to weigh the risks" - don't understand the risks. And therefore it's your job to post a bunch of threads warning us?

I'll be the first to say that people are bad at risk, generally. And each of us has some pet worry that's common behavior but we think is super risky - mine is lap babies on planes. But you do not see me on every travel thread warning people about lap babies. The information is out there for people, they have considered it, and they have made a different decision than I would.

Wow you are super defensive. If you felt so good a secure about your decision you wouldn't be reacting this way. I wish all of you health and wellness.

They're not 'super defensive'. They are pointing out facts that don't support your narrative about these drugs.