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I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

So, without significant intervention, your kid didn't test well. It required diagnosis, training, and medication. What about kids without the resources and time and knowledge to get those things? For whom standardized tests don't actually reflect their cognitive abilities or their knowledge?

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! [b]that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What is this, Twelfth Night? Why do people care so much about whether colleges do this? In GPAs, millions of kids get retakes/corrections in their regular classes. Are they “hiding” things? It’s just a fact that SAT/ACT are somewhat correlated to first year college grades (and moreso to HHI) but they have very weak correlation to overall college performance. Which makes sense, they are essentially a “preparedness” test, not aptitude or IQ. If they were really that accurate, colleges would have every incentive to rent in them. I mean who wouldn’t want to use something so predictive? All this conspiracy nonsense about social engineering is for the tin foil hat crowd.

They DO want to use them. The threat of litigation and the distorted interests of political actors like Janet Napolitano are WHY they don’t use them.

It’s amazing how you can divine what admissions offices really want. What a gift you have.

Well, we do know what the faculty who were asked to research standardized testings effectiveness in the UC system wanted; they recommended keeping standardized testing because it was the single best predictor of college success across all income and racial groups. Better than GPA. Test scores predicted equally well across SES groups as well. In other words, a 1300 for a poor kid predicts as well as a 1300 from an UMC kid. A better predictor is obviously standardized test scores along with grades.

Janet Napolitano eliminated standardized testing against the recommendation of the task force her organization commissioned to look into it. While nobody can read minds, this looks much more like someone acting in a political manner vs following the data.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! [b]that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What is this, Twelfth Night? Why do people care so much about whether colleges do this? In GPAs, millions of kids get retakes/corrections in their regular classes. Are they “hiding” things? It’s just a fact that SAT/ACT are somewhat correlated to first year college grades (and moreso to HHI) but they have very weak correlation to overall college performance. Which makes sense, they are essentially a “preparedness” test, not aptitude or IQ. If they were really that accurate, colleges would have every incentive to rent in them. I mean who wouldn’t want to use something so predictive? All this conspiracy nonsense about social engineering is for the tin foil hat crowd.

They DO want to use them. The threat of litigation and the distorted interests of political actors like Janet Napolitano are WHY they don’t use them.

It’s amazing how you can divine what admissions offices really want. What a gift you have.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

[b]What is this, Twelfth Night? Why do people care so much about whether colleges do this? In GPAs, millions of kids get retakes/corrections in their regular classes. Are they “hiding” things? It’s just a fact that SAT/ACT are somewhat correlated to first year college grades (and moreso to HHI) but they have very weak correlation to overall college performance. Which makes sense, they are essentially a “preparedness” test, not aptitude or IQ. If they were really that accurate, colleges would have every incentive to rent in them. I mean who wouldn’t want to use something so predictive? All this conspiracy nonsense about social engineering is for the tin foil hat crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! [b]that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What is this, Twelfth Night? Why do people care so much about whether colleges do this? In GPAs, millions of kids get retakes/corrections in their regular classes. Are they “hiding” things? It’s just a fact that SAT/ACT are somewhat correlated to first year college grades (and moreso to HHI) but they have very weak correlation to overall college performance. Which makes sense, they are essentially a “preparedness” test, not aptitude or IQ. If they were really that accurate, colleges would have every incentive to rent in them. I mean who wouldn’t want to use something so predictive? All this conspiracy nonsense about social engineering is for the tin foil hat crowd.

They DO want to use them. The threat of litigation and the distorted interests of political actors like Janet Napolitano are WHY they don’t use them.

It’s amazing how you can divine what admissions offices really want. What a gift you have.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! [b]that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What is this, Twelfth Night? Why do people care so much about whether colleges do this? In GPAs, millions of kids get retakes/corrections in their regular classes. Are they “hiding” things? It’s just a fact that SAT/ACT are somewhat correlated to first year college grades (and moreso to HHI) but they have very weak correlation to overall college performance. Which makes sense, they are essentially a “preparedness” test, not aptitude or IQ. If they were really that accurate, colleges would have every incentive to rent in them. I mean who wouldn’t want to use something so predictive? All this conspiracy nonsense about social engineering is for the tin foil hat crowd.

They DO want to use them. The threat of litigation and the distorted interests of political actors like Janet Napolitano are WHY they don’t use them.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! [b]that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What is this, Twelfth Night? Why do people care so much about whether colleges do this? In GPAs, millions of kids get retakes/corrections in their regular classes. Are they “hiding” things? It’s just a fact that SAT/ACT are somewhat correlated to first year college grades (and moreso to HHI) but they have very weak correlation to overall college performance. Which makes sense, they are essentially a “preparedness” test, not aptitude or IQ. If they were really that accurate, colleges would have every incentive to rent in them. I mean who wouldn’t want to use something so predictive? All this conspiracy nonsense about social engineering is for the tin foil hat crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. [/b] Viola! [b]that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

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I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

How can a natural barrier be designed? Do you know how the SAT was actually designed? Do you think it genuinely measures capacity? Do you know how many standardized tests most people take after the SAT?

I didn’t say whether the designer was a mere mortal 🫣

"God designed the SAT" is something I genuinely had not heard before. Bravo.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

How can a natural barrier be designed? Do you know how the SAT was actually designed? Do you think it genuinely measures capacity? Do you know how many standardized tests most people take after the SAT?

I didn’t say whether the designer was a mere mortal 🫣

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

I think any moderately successful adult who helps their kids in SAT prep cannot help but be struck by the absurdity of the test

Again, the the 1,000th time, this opinion is shaped by your own experience with the test.

If you did great and your kid did great, you think it’s relevant. If you didn’t do well, and/or your kid didn’t do well, tiu end up like you, tilting at testing windmills because they are “absurd” (but tests, and group projects, and homework, and busy work in school is definitely not absurd).