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Anonymous wrote:Yes- legal, but they might be in violation of the lease without the owner knowing. Can't hurt to send a note.

Explain how it is legal when I can look up the property and it says it is owned by X as 'primary residence'. The home was listed as a 4 BR home, yet I can find it now listed as a rental with '6 BR'.

Again, absolutely zero construction was done on the house, so how does it magically gain +2 BR so that the investor owner can jam more unrelated people into it in order to max their profits on a home supposedly owned as their 'primary residence'?

What you want is some sort of law/ordinance that will kick those people out. That likely does not exist.

Did the purchaser potentially commit mortgage/tax fraud if they declare it a primary residence? Maybe. But that is only going to affect that person's finances. It isn't going to kick the people out.

And the rules on what qualifies as a bedroom are different for listing a rental and listing for purchase.

Anonymous wrote:Yes- legal, but they might be in violation of the lease without the owner knowing. Can't hurt to send a note.

Explain how it is legal when I can look up the property and it says it is owned by X as 'primary residence'. The home was listed as a 4 BR home, yet I can find it now listed as a rental with '6 BR'.

Again, absolutely zero construction was done on the house, so how does it magically gain +2 BR so that the investor owner can jam more unrelated people into it in order to max their profits on a home supposedly owned as their 'primary residence'?

Was OP's post poorly worded? Yes. That said I wouldn't want this going on either, and neither would any of you if you're being honest. No one wants to live next to or near a house where the cars are being parked on the lawn, and trash is strewn about. Is it the worse thing? No of course not, but it's also not ideal.

OP do your research to see what the zoning laws are for your area. Find out if the house was sold as "not primary residence". start from there. Either that or you need to learn to live with it.

Depends where house is located. My town prohibits “grouper” homes

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Anonymous wrote:It’s probably not legal. In single family neighborhoods the cap is typically one family or four unrelated adults, so multiple families would be a problem. But as a practical matter the county might not enforce those rules, especially against renters that aren’t engaging in criminal conduct.

Nobody had a problem with me and my four housemates and our five cars in our group house in Bethesda.

They talked about you behind your backs and every time the lease turned over they speculated about if the owner would ever just rent to a nice young family with kids.

I think people are too busy to notice the group house down the road. It is noticed when the residents are disruptive in negative ways.

I agree. It’s more about the behavior of the residents than their make up. We have single family owners in our neighborhood that don’t abide by any of the neighborhood rules and groups of renters that do. I think what is really making people feel that neighborhoods are in decline is the increase in entitled behaviors of residents that the rules don’t apply to them.

Yes- legal, but they might be in violation of the lease without the owner knowing. Can't hurt to send a note.

It may be the norm in Alexandria soon also.

This is your worst nightmare? Really OP? Perhaps you should mill on that thought a minute then come back to us.

Anonymous wrote:It’s probably not legal. In single family neighborhoods the cap is typically one family or four unrelated adults, so multiple families would be a problem. But as a practical matter the county might not enforce those rules, especially against renters that aren’t engaging in criminal conduct.

Nobody had a problem with me and my four housemates and our five cars in our group house in Bethesda.

They talked about you behind your backs and every time the lease turned over they speculated about if the owner would ever just rent to a nice young family with kids.

I think people are too busy to notice the group house down the road. It is noticed when the residents are disruptive in negative ways.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s probably not legal. In single family neighborhoods the cap is typically one family or four unrelated adults, so multiple families would be a problem. But as a practical matter the county might not enforce those rules, especially against renters that aren’t engaging in criminal conduct.

Nobody had a problem with me and my four housemates and our five cars in our group house in Bethesda.

They talked about you behind your backs and every time the lease turned over they speculated about if the owner would ever just rent to a nice young family with kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Worst nightmare has happened - house down the street was sold and now they're renting out to multiple families and people. They now have multiple cars everywhere, have been parking on my neighbor's lawn, left trash strewn in the street because they don't care, and don't take care of the yard/property of course cause they're renters. Is it legal in Montgomery County to do this? Absolutely zero work and construction was done in the house, so the house is still built with rooms, kitchen, and bathroom like it is for a single family.

It's really justifying up the steet and declining the quality of life for everyone.

Worst nightmare??? Come on stop being a dramatic!! Also try living an apartment with shared walls and a bunch or people living next to you, above you to the side of you then come back here to fake cry.

Grow up.

Where do you live? Let's see how you like of the home next to you goes from a single family to now 5 families parking 8 cars now all in the drive way and in the yards and throwing trash all over the street in front of your house..let's see how much you'd like it.

But it's not the home next to you. You said it was down the street and next to your neighbor. I get it, though. What does your neighbor intend to do about it?

It's still a home on the same block, dimwit. One sh!tty house ruins the character of the neighborhood and home values. Then next house flees and then the next. Now the enitre area is a ghetto dump with cars parked all over lawns, trash in the streets, and crime increasing. That affects long time residents. Of course you're probably too dense to comprehend it..

We have a multi-family house on our street. One guy there edges our lawn and some other lawns for free. I guess we are lucky as a recent visitor commented on how nice the lawns look.

A multi-family home doesn’t have to mean there will be more trash, etc. I don’t love what they do with their backyard so am strategically planting flower bushes.

My neighbor in the multi-family home actually came over and helped us dig a hole for a flower bush.

Maybe they will get the hang of things. If they are from another country, they may not be aware of expectations here.

How is your comment relevant? She didn’t say she hates all multi family housing. She is complaining that her neighbors leave trash and park on other people’s lawns. Like most people, I’m sure she’d be fine with a good neighbor.

Look at her subject line- it isn't about the poor behavior of a neighbor. She is centering the fact that they are renting and that there are several families there. She is asking if THAT is legal.

If she didn't care about the rental status she wouldn't have mentioned it.

Exactly. If you create a thread full of prejudice, you lose the argument. OP, you may want to create a new thread solely to discuss the trash and illegal parking, or whatever you're concerned about. You can mention they are renters in the context of whether you should contact the landlord (yes you should). But it's no use dumping on all renters, and insinuating all renters are subhumans. It's no use generalizing to your belief that this area is going down the drain, and that you want to move, because guess what: you're offending all the posters who live here and like it.

TLDR: Learn not to sabotage your own threads!

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Anonymous wrote:Worst nightmare has happened - house down the street was sold and now they're renting out to multiple families and people. They now have multiple cars everywhere, have been parking on my neighbor's lawn, left trash strewn in the street because they don't care, and don't take care of the yard/property of course cause they're renters. Is it legal in Montgomery County to do this? Absolutely zero work and construction was done in the house, so the house is still built with rooms, kitchen, and bathroom like it is for a single family.

It's really justifying up the steet and declining the quality of life for everyone.

Worst nightmare??? Come on stop being a dramatic!! Also try living an apartment with shared walls and a bunch or people living next to you, above you to the side of you then come back here to fake cry.

Grow up.

Where do you live? Let's see how you like of the home next to you goes from a single family to now 5 families parking 8 cars now all in the drive way and in the yards and throwing trash all over the street in front of your house..let's see how much you'd like it.

But it's not the home next to you. You said it was down the street and next to your neighbor. I get it, though. What does your neighbor intend to do about it?

It's still a home on the same block, dimwit. One sh!tty house ruins the character of the neighborhood and home values. Then next house flees and then the next. Now the enitre area is a ghetto dump with cars parked all over lawns, trash in the streets, and crime increasing. That affects long time residents. Of course you're probably too dense to comprehend it..

We have a multi-family house on our street. One guy there edges our lawn and some other lawns for free. I guess we are lucky as a recent visitor commented on how nice the lawns look.

A multi-family home doesn’t have to mean there will be more trash, etc. I don’t love what they do with their backyard so am strategically planting flower bushes.

My neighbor in the multi-family home actually came over and helped us dig a hole for a flower bush.

Maybe they will get the hang of things. If they are from another country, they may not be aware of expectations here.

How is your comment relevant? She didn’t say she hates all multi family housing. She is complaining that her neighbors leave trash and park on other people’s lawns. Like most people, I’m sure she’d be fine with a good neighbor.

Look at her subject line- it isn't about the poor behavior of a neighbor. She is centering the fact that they are renting and that there are several families there. She is asking if THAT is legal.

If she didn't care about the rental status she wouldn't have mentioned it.

OP, I've seen this happen, in a brand new development no less. Multiple families, lots of noise, lots of traffic 24/7, trash casually dropped outside all over the place, drug dealing as well.

I guarantee they will not change, and they are not interested in anything you have to say. If you try to point out that yelling and traffic at 2am is disruptive for the neighbors, their response is you're a racist. They say that to shut you up, because they have no intention of changing anything on their end.

So your choices are to move, or to try complaining to your local government. You can go nuclear and take the house owners to court in a civil case, but good luck with that.

Anonymous wrote:This is just "Missing Middle" and "Housing for All" MoCo style.

Why bother to tear down a SFH and build a fourplex when you have renters who will happily cram four families into a SFH?

Welcome to the new normal.

Well, at least if they are doing something illegal then there are avenues to deal with it.

Residents in MoCo have had plenty of warning about possible zoning changes, so there is no excuse to not have layer upon layer of lawsuits ready to go using successful campaigns elsewhere as models. They should learn from the successes and mistakes of the lawsuit in Arlington, in particular.

However, it seems that their new multi family housing drives won’t be through large scale zoning changes, but rather changes to specific “town centers,” as designated in the new pedestrian master plan. MoCo residents in those areas should expect some changes there, so be prepared.

This is your worst nightmare?