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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

The UT money isn't split evenly between campuses. A large percentage is for UT Austin.

Of course not. However 30 billion spread out of 1/4 of a million students doesn’t go as far as 18 billion to 60,000

Over half of the payout from the $33B fund goes to UT Austin operations plus all of $5.7B held by its schools. That is about $22B for 51K students. UT Austin also gets additional money from that fund to pay construction bonds.

With all that money, it should be higher ranked.

And it should have created a dynamic engine of economic growth like Ann Arbor rather than that backwater that is Austin.

That’s true

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

The UT money isn't split evenly between campuses. A large percentage is for UT Austin.

Of course not. However 30 billion spread out of 1/4 of a million students doesn’t go as far as 18 billion to 60,000

Over half of the payout from the $33B fund goes to UT Austin operations plus all of $5.7B held by its schools. That is about $22B for 51K students. UT Austin also gets additional money from that fund to pay construction bonds.

With all that money, it should be higher ranked.

And it should have created a dynamic engine of economic growth like Ann Arbor rather than that backwater that is Austin.

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

The UT money isn't split evenly between campuses. A large percentage is for UT Austin.

Of course not. However 30 billion spread out of 1/4 of a million students doesn’t go as far as 18 billion to 60,000

Over half of the payout from the $33B fund goes to UT Austin operations plus all of $5.7B held by its schools. That is about $22B for 51K students. UT Austin also gets additional money from that fund to pay construction bonds.

With all that money, it should be higher ranked.

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

The UT money isn't split evenly between campuses. A large percentage is for UT Austin.

Of course not. However 30 billion spread out of 1/4 of a million students doesn’t go as far as 18 billion to 60,000

Over half of the payout from the $33B fund goes to UT Austin operations plus all of $5.7B held by its schools. That is about $22B for 51K students. UT Austin also gets additional money from that fund to pay construction bonds.

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

The UT money isn't split evenly between campuses. A large percentage is for UT Austin.

Of course not. However 30 billion spread out of 1/4 of a million students doesn’t go as far as 18 billion to 60,000

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

The UT money isn't split evenly between campuses. A large percentage is for UT Austin.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter went to UVA. Her BFF went to Michigan because she didn’t get into UVA

True story. Happens all the time in VA

Best friends DD got waitlisted for UVA but in to Michigan she had moved into the dorm at Michigan when they got the call. DD went outside to think about it -came back in and said “UVA” and they packed her and moved her to UVA. She was very very happy at UVA

Of course that would never happen to an instate student at Michigan. Nobody from Michigan would ever pay full freight to attend UVA.

81 students are coming in from Michigan just for first-year class 2023. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/enrollment

Probably getting $$ from UVA or were not admitted to U of M.

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t all of this apply to MSU as well?

Like UVA and VT. Where there are too similar options, one of them tends to rise above because successful people want to cluster together.

I really don’t think MSU and UofM are at all comparable

The point is that many of the reasons cited for Michigan's rise stemmed from the state of Michigan's economy back in the day. If true, then why wouldn't MSU see a similar boost? Just playing Devil's advocate. In other words, is that really the reason for the rise or is it something else. The automakers have invested in both universities. Granted, Ann Arbor is closer to the Detroit, but Lansing is not much farther. So are other factors at play? Maybe that Michigan attracted more out-of-state students than MSU (precisely because MSU was a land-grant) school. It's interesting to see how the two evolved.

I feel like you’re not following the part where MSU was originally the farm school. It’s a good school and offers a lot more, but it has a completely different history from UM.

The posts so far cover it, really -
Major money and major culture in the Detroit region a century ago
Inclusive to Jews - yes, many of whom were from the northeast/NYC, and with a great education and religious philanthropic tenants, became both successful in their careers and big donors
Major research opportunities
Compelling college campus
Multiple competitive grad/professional schools
No major regional competition from privates
No major regional competition from other state schools across the original Big Ten
And Michigan State is a perfectly nice school, but it’s the ag school, and not one of the other original ag schools in the US that also later became a meaningful engineering player (such as NC State did) or another differentiator. Michigan is the engineering school in the state. Completely different history from MSU and the other midwestern state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is better for undergrad

Congrats on your first football victory of the season. Very impressive.

Obviously the performance of the football team is the best indicator of undergraduate education quality. Not.

Not the best indicator, but having a good sports team to root for is just another perk.

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t all of this apply to MSU as well?

Like UVA and VT. Where there are too similar options, one of them tends to rise above because successful people want to cluster together.

I really don’t think MSU and UofM are at all comparable

The point is that many of the reasons cited for Michigan's rise stemmed from the state of Michigan's economy back in the day. If true, then why wouldn't MSU see a similar boost? Just playing Devil's advocate. In other words, is that really the reason for the rise or is it something else. The automakers have invested in both universities. Granted, Ann Arbor is closer to the Detroit, but Lansing is not much farther. So are other factors at play? Maybe that Michigan attracted more out-of-state students than MSU (precisely because MSU was a land-grant) school. It's interesting to see how the two evolved.

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

The endowment is larger, but there are many campuses to maintain. Michigan has 3, with Ann Arbor by far receiving the most $$$. Texas has 240,000 students as compared to around 60,000 at Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:After the UC system, the University of Michigan is the strongest public university in terms of research and graduate and professional programs. How did it become so prestigious?

U Mich has the biggest endowment of any public university and they invest wisely.

U Mich AA has an astonishing array of research all in one campus while UC is spread over 10 campuses with some being much stronger in certain fields (eg Davis for vet science/ UCSB for physics/ etc)

Michigan is incredibly proud of its flagship and it shows in many ways.

I think California is also extremely proud of its U system.

Both systems are excellent engines for social mobility with emphasis on providing many opportunities for vets, first generation students and Hispanic/ minority students.

I think UT Austin's endowment is larger when the funds from the land they have in West Texas is factored.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is better for undergrad

Congrats on your first football victory of the season. Very impressive.

Obviously the performance of the football team is the best indicator of undergraduate education quality. Not.

It’s not competing with privates for in-state students, they have an excellent hospital (provides research experience), and trustees are elected by the public. Also, in the past generation, it didn’t discriminate against Jewish applicants - nowadays, it doesn’t discriminate against Asian applicants. The pp who mentioned donors is correct - if you look at the list of top donors, they are overwhelmingly Jewish - Stephen Ross, Alfred Taubman, Sam Zell, etc. It also may get a lot of OOS applicants because as the state of Michigan has declined, alumni have ended up out of state and their kids apply.